Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

[lechiffre55]

Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

I don't understand why people perceive Kemi as having broad appeal. She is as toxic hard right as it gets. There were Tories who might appeal to those with more liberal approaches (Rory Stewart before it turned out he thought black and gangster were synonymous) but I can't understand why she would be one.

I don't vote Tory

I'm not a cunt

What EU Court @lechiffre55?

I don’t get the superiority. Seems unfounded.

I mean on that NZ post a quick google showed the mistake

I have noticed a tendency to do that you’re all thick part to undermine women. Probably with an agenda

The GRA is not guidance it’s legislation

Of course not. I'd never vote Tory. And particularly not for a Tory who wants to take us out of the ECHR and net zero commitments. Horrifying!

court
https://www.echr.coe.int/
convention
https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/convention_ENG

Wow. It seems so obvious when you put it that way.

I’ll ask you again, what does the EU have to do with the ECHR?

Nope never would vote Tory and she as bad as the rest of them. She might protect our safe spaces but we won't have many left under her. Like public funded hostels, hospitals, refuges etc
Like most Tories, she has no soul.Not that any of the rest of the parties are much better.

Op just substitute EU court with ECHR and your points will stand without same question

A tendency toward authoritarianism and the importance of obedience. Suppressing dissent and freedom of thought and expression.

This is much more prevalent on the left.

The ECHR is not an EU court.

It's a court, and based in Europe.
https://www.coe.int/en/web/tbilisi/europeancourtofhumanrights

The first word stands for European.

Do I think this set of Tories would find a way to ensure the UK court ruled in their favour? Yes. Yes I do. So I think that we do need the ECHR as our constitution has never been formalised and depended on the decency of British government and their 'checks and balances'. This Tory government and its immediate predecessors have killed the idea of British decency and stomped on its limped corpse. So no I will never vote for them nor trust them again.

@MadderthanMorris
Can I suggest dire poverty???

The first word is European but it is not linked to the EU. It is separate. They are not the same. European does not equate with EU. We are European. We are no longer (sadly in my opinion) part of the EU.

I think that this will not be convincing to many, because it is an example of how being tied into international agreements and groups, because of other agreements and groups, makes it more and more difficult for governments to make actual, governing decisions.

This web of regulations and guidelines and courts and so on increasingly narrows the possible governing decisions of the state. That's a problem even if some of the regulations, or some of the agreements, are things that are in themselves good. It seems for example to be part of the problems the Tories are anticipating if they make changes to rules, guidance, and laws, on gender issues.

Except that the GFA was brilliant. And important. And putting in protections for it has turned out to be vital. Given how many of the current Tories seem to have forgotten about it when they were negotiating Brexit. Peace in NI matters.

Well the left aren't actually in power, so they can't be blamed for the implementation of these tendencies in law over the last decade (amazing how often this point is missed). And most of that implementation (voter ID, anti-protest legislation, anti-union legislation etc.) has been designed expressly to protect this government of the right while it refocuses wealth and opportunity away from the majority toward the privileged few.

Having said that, I do certainly see your point. But I'm more concerned about authoritarianism as actual political power (ie the erosion of democratic process itself) than as a cultural attitude.

Final point. One day, a left wing government will come and it will be able to override any primary legislation it likes if some posters here get their wish.

If there is no ECHR, there would be no guarantees of rights for anyone, including those on the right.

Such freedom cuts both ways. That was why it was done to bind a country and never give it a government that could claim it was the law maker and thus by operation of law do whatever it liked, no matter how vile, to its own citizens.

And this is why politicians, Tory and Labour alike, have respected it.

You want to look very very carefully at the motivations of those who say different.

We are hampered on gender issues

Just because she is a woman? Fuck no. But I wouldn’t vote Tory if they had a gun to my head.
Remember Thatcher. She was a woman and she wreaked havoc on this country.

This isn't a single issue general election.

That. Even if I agreed with her on one issue, the rest of her views are grim. So no.