Trans women to be banned from female hospital wards

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Yes¡ Just done a little victory dance. I hope it really is as good as it sounds.

https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1708956051683295391?t=daMUSC8mbF_9sSi9ynIsIg&s=19

On Tuesday, Steve Barclay will announce proposals to push back against “wokery” in the health service that has led to women’s rights being increasingly sidelined.The changes would give men and women the right to be cared for on wards only shared by people of their own biological sex, and to have intimate care provided by those of the same sex.Mr Barclay said the plan would mean the return of “a common-sense approach to sex and equality”, ensuring that women’s dignity was protected and their voices heard.The proposals follow concerns from patients and staff about biological men being allowed on to women’s hospital wards. In 2021, NHS guidance said trans patients could be placed on single-sex wards on the basis of the gender with which they identified.

It basically boils down to "where sex matters, be honest about it".

It's not in St George's - not sure if that's an outlier and I was unlucky to be there. No doors on bays and women's toilets and showers were the other end of the ward past the men.

It’s absolutely obvious that any health service that is designed around individual feelings rather than biology (as the key organising principle) will not be fit for purpose.

It’s like deciding to make the cost of fabric in the manufacturing process the organising characteristic for your clothing shop layout. Customers will have no idea how to find clothing because it’s just not the right organising principle. All the styles and sizes would be mixed up in ways that make no sense to most people. Sure, it might meet the needs of a tiny minority of people who think the most important thing is having clothes made of expensive fabrics. But most people want clothes shops to be organised by style and (within that, size).

Most people want - and need - an NHS that is organised around the biological processes of the body and the sex of individuals (within that). People whose needs are better met (or at least their wants are) by organising around some internal feeling of gender identity cannot override that.

This is exactly the kind of thinking trans activists wish to discourage.

Because there are quite a few situations where sex matters, and literally no situations in which gender identity matters.

Bingo.

You know what's going to happen too don't you?

Lots of chancers are going to start self identifying when in hospital to try to get a private room as they see it as preferential treatment.

(The irony of this isn't lost on me)

Oh definitely.

But the TRAs are absolutely against the need for a medical diagnosis to demonstrate transgender as a medical need. Everyone who says they are trans must be trans - except for the ever growing list of chancers who recognise the potential for preferential treatment.

We’ll have hospital-admission-onset cases alongside the prison-onset cases of transgender all over the place.

And you couldn’t possibly even claim that only identifying as the opposite sex when you fund yourself in state-provided residential accommodation is being a chancer. Nope. Gender fluidity is sacred.

But it really is not women’s job to square that circle.

Maybe we should all acquire the kind of gender fluidity that gets you a private room in hospital.

But remember you can't have trauma feelings that might allow you to request a XX member of staff or a private room.

Cos 'equality and inclusion'.

The worst bit is all the hospital managers with their Stonewall accreditation know damn well they are going to get all these chancers looking for private rooms too. And that's one of the reasons they didn't want this 'ban', because they now have to get their staff to manage the delusional patients who in denial about sex and the chancers after a private room. Meanwhile the women who just want to retain their dignity, 'just want to pee' and not worry about a bloke cracking one off next to them (or worse) are going to get the blame for this mess or will be just forgotten about (as per usual).

It's still good news. Agree we are likely to see some idiotic TRA behaviour. I guess the NHS will need to hone its collective response (bed with curtains).

Of course it’s unfair, but frankly, I’d rather the transwomen were in private rooms on the men’s ward than in the women’s ward. In fact I think private rooms on the women’s ward was considered by a hospital in Scotlan. This resulted in howls from TRA groups that transwomen were being discriminated against by being denied access to non-consenting women

Crick is fine with the occasional woman's life being destroyed and her being severely injured if men are happy.

That's about all you need to know about that individual and his 'side of history', and how human he is able to perceive females as.

The NHS and government are up front about mixed sex wards being wrong, a problem, they can list and provide the researched problems, they're a last resort when there are no other options.

I am much, much happier with being told 'look, this is shit, we wish we didn't have to do this and we'll fix it as soon as we can, but right now all we can offer is a mixed sex ward' than I am with a bloke helicoptering his dick up and down the women's ward - and a MNetter nurse has explained her experiences of such patients, they're not rare ones - or climbing on me at 2am, and having nurses look me in the eye and say 'that's a woman, you were not raped, there is no dick, these are not the droids you're looking for'

One is unfortunate and needs fixing but it is at least honest, and the long term goal can be that the NHS is not the underfunded, swamped wreck it currently is. The second is intentional gaslighting based on male supremacism, and providing non-consenting vulnerable women to a male who wants to use them, with nothing more than a bit of hope that he doesn't break one of his toys while playing with them. I honestly don't care at this point if he just wants to be among vulnerable, undressed, anxious and upset women for the validation or the buzz, or whether he wants to explore those women a bit further; it's all just points on the same scale. Either women are autonomous and equal to males or we're walking toys for men without rights to refuse. In which case stop all the shit about 'oh men change sex' and 'sex is a spectrum' and own the belief in action which is 'women are born with a sex based birthright to have no needs or feelings or right to withhold their biology from any bloke who feels entitled, particularly the special ones'.

And if there's all these separate bays with separate doors and toileting areas then there's no problem finding a safe, private and dignified space for someone with a TQ+ identity while not sacrificing the safety, privacy, dignity, consent and humanity on an altar to him of every woman on the women's ward. Is there?

Oh and I'll add - I'll also go for an honest mixed sex space over someone saying 'you must pretend that man isn't a man or we'll do you for hate crime/withdraw your care'.

Stuff of the bloody Stasi.

I'm waiting for the howls from activists when loads of chancers start self identifying in order to get what they perceive to be better treatment from having a private room...

The irony klaxon will be loud.

While I agree with pretty much all of your post, Frood, I think on this bit:

And if there's all these separate bays with separate doors and toileting areas then there's no problem finding a safe, private and dignified space for someone with a TQ+ identity

you may be mixing up 'bay' with 'room'.

A bay has a door (usually), and separate toileting facilities (usually), and 6 to 8 beds. It's a small ward; not a private room.

There are very rarely going to be enough trans patients needing care from a particular speciality to justify setting aside a whole bay. They would go in the individual side rooms usually used for infection control and very end of life care.

Now the danger is not just trans activist radicalism and tran allies energy, it's also the swathe of people in positions of influence like Crick who wave it thru, who don't provide any skeptical resistance. The rot has set in very deep indeed.

People like Crick have always been the TRA, who do you think got the GRA and GR in the EqA?

But I don't understand. I thought nobody would ever identify as trans to gain some sort of advantage for themselves?

Crick. A man happy to wave away right and protections for women in favour of happy feelings for men.

We have a term for this.

I believe it's men's rights activist. Or male chauvinist pig. Take your pick.

If supposedly single sex wards/bays arent the norm now, how come all of the trans males aren't up in arms about sharing sleeping areas with manky cis men already?

Lives are at stake here.

Odd isn't it?

It doesn’t, not in the slightest.

I'm really naive on this. I wouldn't have guessed.

From the younger generation of journalists, Lewis Goodall also looks like a totally captured TRA media figure.

He's just done a borderline panicky breathy piece on The NewsAgents podcast about the "transphobic" Tory conference.

I just didn't get how broadly and deeply this ran in the media.

A couple of days ago, a person on TwitterX was whining because women’s pants were too skimpily-cut to contain his…well, yeah.

Oh poor dear. What he needs is a pair of those 'directoire' knickers like his great granny used to wear.

As for the Tory Conference - criticise them for being a bunch of rabid right wing nutters, not the one half way sensible policy they have managed to announce.

Lewis Goodall is your classic middle class luxury believer, TRSOH etc etc

he knows exactly what a women is because he married one.

he knows exactly what a women is because he married one.

None of them are ever rushing to have a relationship with a transwomen, are they?

Of course, funnily enough <hollow laugh> transwomen are invariably ‘lesbians’ (otherwise known as straight men), so their target is …. once again …. women.

This impacts on men like Goodall and Crick in absolutely no way at all. So they have no right to wade in and throw other’s people’s valid, lived concerns under the bus.

So entitled and misgyonist they think women's rights are theirs to give away and women's bodies are theirs to pimp to abusers to protect the feelings of male fantatists.