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Jo Phoenix vs The OU Employment Tribunal 2nd October (whispers Ben Cooper)

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ickky · 25/09/2023 09:12

Employment Tribunal starts next Monday, not sure if it is available for remote viewing.

I have sent a request so we will see.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/10/2023 11:57

So her ex colleagues are bad mouthing her while chatting in court? Really?

Edited to add, this relates to the racist uncle comment

Mmmnotsure · 05/10/2023 11:59

It is the witch trials back again. If you didn't complain at the time you weren't upset. If you did complain then you are impossible to work with. No way to win: you are guilty (don't drown) or dead.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 05/10/2023 11:59

@BernardBlacksMolluscs No, there was a crossed wire there somewhere. Personal comment was not related to anything to do with case.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 05/10/2023 11:59

They don't have a professional bone in their body, and don't understand/care that you don't conduct yourself, in the real world, as though you're on Twitter.

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:00

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/10/2023 11:57

So her ex colleagues are bad mouthing her while chatting in court? Really?

Edited to add, this relates to the racist uncle comment

Edited

No this was referring to an incident in 2019

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:00

I didn't hear the personal comment during the court break.

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:06

Noted that the clerk has now changed to Sharon and a few more are in the room.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 05/10/2023 12:07

OU counsel again suggesting Jo is at fault by not discussing privately and letting it get to this point.

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:12

So because JP didn't stand in street tearing off her clothes and pulling out her hair in distress and anguish, she wasn't bothered. Most people don't like showing "the enemy" they are hurt by there actions or words.

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Puddlelane123 · 05/10/2023 12:13

I’m finding it so hard watching poor Jo be grilled like this and hearing the distress in her voice.

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:13

I know, it's horrible.

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Puddlelane123 · 05/10/2023 12:13

It is telling that she describes that week as the worst in her life given the trauma she went through as a teenager.

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:14

I thought that too @Puddlelane123

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 05/10/2023 12:14

So because you don't have a contemporaneous discussion in a group Whatsapp you were totes fine?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 05/10/2023 12:14

I can't find Jo's witness statement. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:14

I know it is their job, but it seems nasty. Not a job I would like.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 05/10/2023 12:15

Puddlelane123 · 05/10/2023 12:13

It is telling that she describes that week as the worst in her life given the trauma she went through as a teenager.

Absolutely @Puddlelane123.

CriticalCondition · 05/10/2023 12:15

She is so dignified, even in distress.

katmarie · 05/10/2023 12:16

Ameanstreakamilewide · 05/10/2023 12:14

I can't find Jo's witness statement. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?

If you are in the video call it is linked in the chat, I don't believe it's been more widely published.

Mmmnotsure · 05/10/2023 12:18

By the time a woman gets to an ET she will be traumatised both by the causal events and the extended time/money/struggle to get to the ET. It is very easy for the employer's barrister to invoke those experiences all over again - and once you have someone in front of you retraumatised, you know they will be more likely to make mistakes, not remember things etc. Easy to do. Not nice to watch.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 05/10/2023 12:19

@katmarie

@MavisMcMinty said she'd found it, but I didn't see her second post, saying that the document was something else.

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ickky · 05/10/2023 12:24

JP laughed at JM's question and immediately apologised and said "sorry, I didn't mean to laugh. JM replied "I'm sure you did mean to"

JP explained it was a nervous laugh.

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Mmmnotsure · 05/10/2023 12:25

JP Sorry I don't mean to laugh.
JM I'm sure you do. [!]
JP No, it's nervous laughter. Goes on to explain why being likened to Charles Murray (?) is unbelievably upsetting - it is being referred to as a racist.

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JP The Forstater ruling gave me protection for my beliefs that hadn't been in place before it.

Cailleach1 · 05/10/2023 12:41

JP Sorry I don't mean to laugh.
JM I'm sure you do. [!]

That was a bit off, and quite bad faith from JM, wasn't it? JP had said sorry, and then JM kind of says 'no you're not'.

As JP had said sorry, who is JM to pretend (in a tribunal) to look into JP's mind and soul as to the sincerity of the apology.

chilling19 · 05/10/2023 12:43

Response to my complaint received this morning

'Thank you for your recent complaint received on 4 October 2023.

I am a Team Leader and I am writing in response to your complaint.

I am very sorry that you have not been able to get a CVP link to observe case number 3322700/2022.

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