Who has most disappointed you?

[Calistano]

I'd say Russell T Davies when he had his drunken rant. I get his concern that lgbt is being fractured. But his absent concern for Women and their rights was palpable. I honestly thought he had more sense.

OP'S question is who has disappointed me/us. I'm reading that as the 21st century PR meaning of 'disappointed'. You know, when a politician says they're 'disappointed' that they weren't re-elected, actually meaning they're incandescent with rage and frothing at the mouth. That sort of disappointment.

Everything and everybody mentioned so far.

But the NHS probably scares me more than the others. We never know when we might need healthcare and often can't do much to avoid needing it. So staying home won't work. The story today about the millions the NHS is planning to spend on EDI with staff on huge salaries while people are on long waiting lists scares me. Clinical staff being told not to ask where people are from, which may be clinically relevant, being told to pretend they don't know what sex we are, being instructed to use utterly dehumanising language about us - in short, knowing I can't trust or believe people who may hold my life in their hands. That terrifies me.

And for what?

But it's a pretty damning indictment on GI and its supporters, for all that it's unsaid.

Metaphorically, "Agree that I'm the poor, vulnerable, defenceless victim in all of this or else I'll punch you in the face and have you destroyed."

Yes, although it's almost an inversion of the neverattributeto malice saw, isn't it?

Always attribute to sexism what can't be explained by stupidity.

Nicola Sturgeon. My own fault, I was too emotionally invested in finding her relatable.

A man of my acquaintance whom I thought was a good person. Then his daughter identified as non-binary and in no time at all he was boasting of going to women's rights demonstrations with his two hulking teenage sons and "making the TERFS go away". All the time I trusted him, he was that person.

Margret Atwood I can kind of understand. As PP Said, she’s 83 and probably just wants not to have to spend her remaining years at the centre of a shitstorm. I’m half that age and trying to avoid one, so I don’t have any moral high ground.

i am deeply disappointed in the self appointed rationality champions though, ex GP turned comedian and an Anthropologist. C‘mon mate. We KNOW you are lying.

I could have written this. Agree with all of this. I feel so let down by the left, including my union and the bloody pathetic TUC. And Margaret Atwood. I still think she's a brilliant writer but I now have to reconcile that with thinking she's a bit of a dick.

The NHS. Every single cowardly, stupid, think-they're-doing-the-kind-thing twat who's put ideology over evidence based medicine and has led vulnerable (mainly young) people into destroying their bodies. Each one of them deserves criminal prosecution and maybe having their own body parts removed.

TBH, I don't believe this is it.

I don't think she understands much of what it is about. She things it's a scientifically sound medical condition, and that it would never have gone as far as it has if it was so questionable.

It's important to remember that up until recently, and really even now, most of this stuff is totally under the radar in Canada. People like Atwood, who are wedded to the CBC just like some in the UK are wedded to the Guardian, don't ever see the information that might make them ask twice.

Where her age comes into it is that she is unlikely to consume much outside of fairly old school types of "quality" publications.

I think everyone I would have said has probably been mentioned already. I don't believe in cancel culture (now that I truly see how it is applied - I would have believed it in when I was younger) but there are an awful lot of people who now when I see or hear them I just do an enormous eye roll and think 'but you have zero critical thinking or independent thinking ability and so I have no respect for you anymore and therefore don't really want to watch/listen to you'

It's important to remember that up until recently, and really even now, most of this stuff is totally under the radar in Canada. People like Atwood, who are wedded to the CBC just like some in the UK are wedded to the Guardian, don't ever see the information that might make them ask twice.

And don't forget there are hundreds of TRAs on Twitter telling them that 'GCs think that women should conform to gender roles and all have babies' because they're dishonest or too thick to work out that that's the opposite of what gender critical means. Why would they question these earnest people who are so into social justice?

This thread is a sobering reminder of how corrupt all public bodies are. I feel sad that I will never discover another band or author through a review in The Guardian because I just won’t touch it anymore. But it’s the clinical staff who have referred girls for mastectomies; prescribed puberty blockers; lied about men on women’s wards; given boys horrible surgery on their genitalia; created those awful penises… those people have disappointed me and I hope some of them will be hauled over the coals one day in a pointy reckoning.

Yes, although it's almost an inversion of the neverattributeto malice saw, isn't it?

Always attribute to sexism what can't be explained by stupidity.

It really is. Though I'm not saying they're not stupid.

Myself to be honest.

I was very gullible and I really wanted the new order to work...

I watched the RB programme with DD. When the Guardian column was mentioned she muttered something along the lines of, 'Well, what a fucking surprise!'

For me, it's the University of Nottingham. When I went there it was fiercely intellectually challenging, I was proud to have attended.

Now? Where do you start when they pretend people can change sex?

I am probably disappointed by people like Ben Goldacre for not speaking up, Alice Roberts etc etc, but it's a long time since I put individuals on pedestals, humans are all too fallible.

Initially I loved Dark Materials, but have gone off Pullman when he had a rape scene in one of his subsequent prequels and thought wtf this is marketed for teens. Then when rereading DM I’d somehow missed that a 12 yr old girl having sex was how the worlds were saved. Pretty creepy stuff.

The Women’s Institute.

Seeing this list, it’s a wonder women have any rights left. Thank god for those willing to still go public. But it is depressing to think that this issue of believing humans can change sex with a change of clothes (sometimes not even that) is the new 1984 doublespeak and it’s absolutely swept through and past all those who should’ve known better. Big Brother indeed.

Definitely David Tennant ... I actually can't stand him now and he was my crush! Eugh..

@Rudderneck yeah, I suppose I'd always thought it was the aesthetics of the clothes. But actually either a)wishes was a woman or b)sexually aroused by look of own body in the clothes.

What did the 2 from IT crowd say? I thought Chris and Richard have shown support? Or at least not said anything?

I really more and more am thinking this is a confluence of

1...the so called last frontier on discrimination, PoC and gay prejudice in the past, trans became the group in our current time that demanded championing from the start.

No artist would not choose to be on The Right Side. Which makes JKR and Glinner such outliers. And that also stretches to scientists and other objective professions.

2...our current subjective age where all norms are shunned and any criticism of lifestyles viewed as prejudicial moralising.

No artist has ever not defended alternative lifestyles and presentations. And in a post Christian world, definitive statements of right and wrong are even more scarce than ever. Again, scientists won't have anything to say here.

3...social justice infecting and then controlling the narrative on science. Where research grants are predicated on projects formally expressing critical race theory and anti transphobic sentiments.

Control science via politics, produce a new generation of objectivists who are now subjectivists. Cue zero kick back from Goldacre, Brian Cox, David Attenborough, Von Tulleken twins, and tbh, the broad swathe of scientific community.

4...the days of mass media being a truth seeking profession, now more like herd following and consensus forming.

I think the world of cultural and scientific elites are herding or flocking around these outlooks, and it takes potential career destroying risks to break away. And humans are risk averse and cowardly in so many cases.

I think probably it's the "feminists" that have disappointed me most. People like Gloria Steinem and Catherine McKinnon. Steinem in particular. Because if you can't rely on feminists to be on the side of women, who can you rely on?

At least Mary Beard was brave enough to say she is a coward on this.