Mary Harrington - Why are so many transgender prisoners sex offenders?

[RebelliousCow]

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@RebelliousCow
You cannot pick and choose which violence you think is inherent, and which you think is not because it doesn't suit your ideological framework.

Human instincts have been well studied and documented, and they are very few in number. Self-preservation is one such instinct that can lead to violence of a self defence nature. There aren’t really any instincts that compel humans to attack other humans that are not of an immediate threat to them. There is no instinct that compels men to rape women and girls. This is scientific fact.

Trouble is GuanYinShanxi you've made so many wild assertions in every one of your posts, none backed up by evidence. The idea that you have the answer on the complex nature / nurture, sex based differences debate is risible.
But you are keeping this important issue at the top of the board which is good.

It's long overdue that women question the issue of serial sex offending & paedophilia and how this intersects with our powerful trans movement.

You asked
“But is there anything in our biology which inherently makes men more violent than women? That's the important question.”

I answered that with a no.

You didn't. You answered it with:
I have seen no evidence that men are forced to be violent due to their minor biological differences from women.

I didn't say anything about men being 'forced' to be violent. Of course they're not. Lots of men aren't violent at all.

But you now say that you meant to say that you don't believe there's anything biological about men's greater propensity to violence.

If you believe that men being bigger and having more muscle actually drives them to be violent while women being able to be impregnated makes us not violent, then that’s a belief as it bears no relation to anything in the current scientific understanding of the causes of violence.

If I'm on my own and get into an argument with a man, and he seems to be getting angry and looks as though he might hit me, I'll back off, start to try to placate him and try to get away from him. This is because he is likely to be bigger than me and almost certainly much stronger than me and if he hit me I'd get hurt. I can't imagine such a man reacting to me in this way if it was me getting angry (he might even try to get me more riled, just for the fun of it). If you can't see how this size and strength difference changes human interactions, I can only assume you're either male or you've led a very sheltered life.

It’s not a coincidence that rates of violence are virtually the same in other patriarchal societies but the cause of it is not inherently biological, it is psycho-social whereby early life socialisation plays the primary role in creating violent men.

So why do you think virtually all societies everywhere in the world and throughout history have socialised their males the same way? Why did it start and why has it continued?

I think it’s pretty well established in numerous U.K., US anc Swedish studies that females socialised from birth to be placid and nonviolent (be kind) and then transition as FtM will retain the female pattern of criminality.

That's not actually what the main Swedish study found. FTM adopted a male pattern of criminality.

"By contrast, female-to-males had higher crime rates than female controls...but did not differ from male controls. This indicates a shift to a male pattern regarding criminality and that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in male-to-females. The same was true regarding violent crime"

Quote from the study included in this analysis:

https://mbmpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/mbm-briefing-on-dhjene-et-al.-april-2021-1.pdf

Lol chances of any evidence appearing on this thread are zero.
It's the modern way...

1. Make unsubstantiated assertions on the internet.
2. Tell people they need to go educate themselves when they ask for evidence.

Sorry you are new to the terms patriarchy and matriarchy. I’d love to discuss the differences and complexities of various examples but that would be a derail of the thread. If you start a new thread, it would be fun to go over the many historical examples and their similarities and differences.

I made no such assertion that “men are no more violent than women”
@OldCrone has made it up.

Sweden did for all FtM who transitioned since 1989 as did the US and U.K. studies.

"...that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in male-to-females."

My error here in my quoting of the Djehne study, I meant female to male, I typed it up as couldn't copy and paste from the pdf.

Perhaps we should just go back to the subject of this thread and discuss why male prisoners who identify as women are so often sex offenders.
https://wsau.com/2023/08/25/more-than-half-of-transgender-inmates-in-wisconsin-have-been-convicted-of-a-sex-crime/
It would also seem to be the same in Canada, where I believe that the Inspector of Prisons has stated in the past that of all the prisoners asking for transfer from the male estate to the female estate, 60% were sex offenders.

"I made no such assertion that “men are no more violent than women”
OldCrone has made it up."

Your assertion is that male violence is 100% caused by socialisation. We've all read the thread and know what OldCrone is talking about.

Indeed - it's a feature not a bug 😂

But it is why we have thousands of confused children believing their body is wrong and rapists demanding to go into women's prisons and so many useful idiots all over the place pandering to delusions and untruths.

@OldCrone
I can only assume you're either male or you've led a very sheltered life.
Wrong on both counts.

I think I’d prefer to bow out of any further discussion with you at this point as it seems we have completely different opinions on the cause of violence.

Oh dear.

Hormones can affect behaviour without completely taking over the body so that a person has no control over their actions.

Now do you understand?

Yes that is my informed opinion. I said it is socialisation that causes men to be more violent than women. There was no instance of me ever saying or implying that “men are no more violent than women”

OldCrone has misunderstood my assertion.

Sweden did for all FtM who transitioned since 1989

The data doesn't support that as it wasn't disaggregated by sex after 1989. Read the Murray Blackburn Mackenzie analysis I linked to.

Perhaps we should just go back to the subject of this thread and discuss why male prisoners who identify as women are so often sex offenders.

Yes, I think we should.

Yes I agree that for many of these prisoners they are "fake" trans as in "men who are pretending to pretend to be women" (as pp put it). Trans activists hate the idea of this because according to their narrative nobody would ever pretend to be trans but the alternative is that TW are more likely to be sex offenders. I don't really care which of these is true. I suspect it's a bit of a mixture of the two tbh but how you can ever prove it is beyond me because there is no objective test of who is "true" trans.

They were just as violent as men, but also egalitarian and didn't subjugate the men?

Are you sure you're not just making this up?

Sorry, have you suddenly had a change of heart and are now agreeing with me?

I have said repeatedly that there is nothing biological that causes violence.
No matter what hormones are fluctuating, violence is still a deliberate choice made by men to exert power.

Whether or not OldCrone misunderstood your assertion is irrelevant. My point still stands that the chances of you introducing any evidence of your "informed opinions" to this thread are zero.

Yes quite right.

I rather think it is relevant. Would you like to be misrepresented in such a fashion even if it was unintentionally done through misunderstanding? Would you not want to clear up any misunderstandings if someone misunderstood you?

I don’t need to submit evidence as this is not a court trial. I am confident that if anyone takes the time to read the more recent studies on the causes of violence they will come to a very similar informed opinion.

As Eresh… has rightly pointed out the cause of violence is a side bar to the main thread. It would be a derailment to turn it into a long winded debate on the causes of violence.

Not in the least.

we should just go back to the subject of this thread and discuss why male prisoners who identify as women are so often sex offenders.

I think we need to look at the whole pattern of offending. Looking at % of convicts convicted of a sex offence is one very isolated data point with very little context.

What would help is knowing what % of the whole population for each demographic are sex offenders.

% of convicts, it doesn’t tell us much. The % sex offenders among convicts could be high because transwomen do not murder as often as men (for example). Men having 90% of the murderers is going to make any other offence % of convicts very very small.

Needs to be a proper study done.