Mumsnet campaign on VAWG includes men in their definition of women

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I'm not sure if/how I can link to it but under Mumsnet campaigns Women in data have published a survey about violence against women and girls.

It talks about "ALL women", asks for sex assigned at birth and says you can answer on the basis of your "gender identity".

How can any organisation purported to be for the benefit of women include men in their definition of women? All of the data will be inaccurate, unscientific and u representative.

Well just stop all surveys of women then because less than 1% of respondents might be a man lying about being a woman. Forget about the fact it is statistically impossible for a demographic that is 1% to skew any results.

This is the loosest definition of proved that I have ever come across, but it did give me cause to chuckle on a rainy Thursday!

Loads, so that is 15,185 minus 3? So far?
Down to 15,182
Keep going then.

Thank you @Brefugee !

Don't worry, it's obvious to anybody lurking (it's what I usually do, and I've learnt such a lot!) that GuanYinShanxi is ill-informed and bluffing.

Oh I just despair. If MNHQ can't run a survey for actual women what are we supposed to do? Violence against trans women is awful. But the reasons and motivations for the violence are different. Women are killed every day because they are biological women not because they wear frilly dresses and makeup. Sex matters.

Great the MRAs will be celebrating tonight. How to get women to silence themselves about VAWG- make them very afraid that a 1% demographic might “skew” the results of a survey.

Oooh just saw the update. Well done MNHQ.

Been taken down, I am miffed, I was really looking forward to being outraged and fuming , and frankly, miffed isn’t touching the sides.

I mean, the absurdity of asking about something that doesn’t actually exist is proof of the survey’s nonsense. No one is assigned a sex at birth. You know that, I know that and Mumsnet knows that! Therefore the question is pointless.

Ha ha ha ha ha…

🤣😂🤣

Tantrum, nursery and sandpit come to mind. 😉

Also - from the other thread MNHQ zapped - this was at the bottom of the page under similar threads:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4864982-mumsnet-registration-male-female-unspecified-prefer-not-to-say?page=1

It isn’t just the survey that is of concern.

Bollox. If that were the case, why does my birth certificate not asked for ‘sex assigned at birth’?
Sex is determined at conception. Its observed at some point onwards either visually or medically, then recorded.

No, all you've proved is that there are 15000 instances where the words 'assigned' and 'sex' appear in the same piece of content. And I've shown you the phrase itself does not appear anywhere in the index.

Go and search for "assigned female" or "assigned female" - it's 471 and 351 results respectively, out of this huge index. The overwhelming majority of those results from the last decade.

Whoever upthread found that mouse courtship article, that sounds fascinating! I'd be better off spending my time reading that then trying to explain the errors in logic on display here.

Because you’re not reading the instructions for filling out a birth certificate. That’s why.

Ha ha ha, how embarrassing, didn't know to do a phrase search?!

Silly argument, everyone knows "sex assigned at birth" is a very recent coinage.

It might not have been invented by some ideology to attack women but it sure has been well and truly hijacked by some ideologists to attack women. Bit like Stanley knives, not designed to hurt humans, but in the wrong hands they do a damn fine job of it.

I mean I could but I'm betting you'll be long gone once I get to the end. And to be honest, I've got gardening to do.

If you use 'sex assigned at birth' the 15,185 reduces to 1,616 and I haven't even gone through to take out any that don't meet the criteria.

With a more representative year spread as shown.

If you then sort by earliest, number 2 and 3 are still including studies completely unrelated to 'sex assigned at birth'.

No dear, the criticism was the term 'sex assigned at birth' which is what you used until it wasn't convenient for your argument.
You've now amended it to 'sex assigned' which is meaningless. But I think you know that and are just arguing for the sake of it.

1947 Sep;2(9):328-30.
[On the behavior of the doctor in a case of pseudo-hermaphroditism in an adult subject with erroneous sex assignment]

Do they have special assigneurs/assigneuses in delivery rooms these days to perform the assigning? Or can parents do it? - useful if it's a homebirth

Doubt that

Babies don't fill out their own birth certificate.

No, it was because you can’t search PubMed with “sex assigned at birth” as a phrase. So I shortened it.

The disagreement was always stated as “sex is not assigned” or “sex cannot be assigned”

He was a very perceptive man, Sir Thomas More.