New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

[SirChenjins]

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

Sadly it appear not.

Why should any child not have equal access to a sports club?

It's not just straight boys who are potentially excluded here, as people have been at pains to point out. Is there a reason why you are choosing not to engage with these points?

It's also worth noting that framing people, particularly boys, as being privileged and thus deserving of unequal treatment on the basis that other people who shared some characteristics that they share (e.g. male and straight) have historically oppressed people who share some characteristics that the other group share (e.g. female, trans or same sex attracted) is a really fantastic way of sowing further division and resentment. Why do you think so many teenage boys are suddenly obsessed with Andrew Tate?

This is getting ridiculous, @Perhapsperhapsto. Can you please respond to the OP’s post giving the example of a young lesbian called Jess?

This isn't about homophobia and not wanting to be in the same room as people with a different sexual orientation. It's about having to claim you are an ally which would include agreeing that TWAW. If a child is GC so does not agree that TWAW then they are not seen as ally.

So how does it work in this ping pong club then? Do they have some pledge of allegiance type thing that everyone has to recite, hand on heart, before they are allowed in?

No because the ping pong club hasn't been badged as only for kids.who hold x political belief and their allies. It's just the ping pong club for kids who went to play pong pong. Which imho is the criteria which should be applied to those joining the ping pong club

Or do you think the word ‘ally’ simply means - don’t be a dick to the gay kids? Don’t call them names, refuse to play a game with them, shoot them looks, snigger, exclude them, make snide remarks, make jokes at their expense? All of which happens everyday to most LGBTQ kids on a weekly if not daily basis.

Who has done any of those things? Who has suggested doing them? PP are objecting to a sports club excluding kids who don't subscribe to a political belief. Do you think Muslim kids should have to declare themselves allies of Sikhs, to join the chess club? And if not, how is this different?

And again, what about lesbian kids who don't believe male bodied people can be lesbians? Are they welcome?

The problem is that there's huge amounts of homophobia in traditional male sports, especially team sports (interestingly not in female sports where my dd found she was sometimes in the minority being straight) this club is to try and reach a group that traditionally has been excluded from sports and allowing allies means they can come with a friend, perhaps those not "out" yet or those who also don't feel comfortable in testosterone fuelled team sports. I don't see it as discrimination I see it as correcting a situation that exists.

@SirChenjins

What you described sounds like sexual harassment and nothing to do with trans, she needs to report the unwanted attention. No need to mention trans status, you are free decline anyone's advances. Just say no applies to all whatsoever gender

It's a lot of things @gogomoto - sexual harassment is only one small part of it. Would you care to address the other issues?

Edit - small as in part of the much wider context, not small as in insignificant. Just wanted to clarify that.

If the school was to set up a sports club only for children who still believe in Santa or who think Stormzy is better than Beyoncé then people would rightly object, but because the magical LGBTQ+ letters are involved then everyone is supposed to think it is absolutely wonderful and giving a safe space to ‘the most marginalised group in society’.

Any situation where adults are organising activities and clubs for children based on sexuality or trans beliefs (LGB and TQ+ should not be force teamed) are creepy as fuck in any case.

Again, the homophobia is inside the political movement organising this for kids

LGBT means compliant to TQ politics, girls experiencing homophobia from those going ew, you're gay are going to experience it again inside LGBT groups (and probably a lot worse) from those going 'if you don't do boys who identify as girls you should be throat punched/kerb stomped and you're not welcome here bigot'.

But no one's reading any posts on this thread before adding comments like this, so I don't know why I'm bothering really.

Oh they’re reading them @Froodwithatowel - they’re just looking the other way and choosing not to answer them because #bekind and rainbows.

@SirChenjins how did you get on at the school. What’s their response at your sons distress at being denied this magical activity?

And yet again, #bekind and rainbows...

And with every post reinforcing the message that the TQ matters more than the LGB.

Why should any child not have access to a sports club?

Oh that's good. Did you type that with a straight face?

Huh?

Every child should have equal access to play sport.

Don't you agree?

‘Why should any child not have access to a sports club?’

any child does have access to this one, even though it primarily exists for Gay kids.
our school has a BAME support grp -
but white kids can attend.

You have been given tons of examples of children who may not feel comfortable attending this group. I'm not sure why you are choosing to ignore them?

And anyway, this isn't an LGBTQ+ support group. (I expect there is one of those as well.) It's a sports club. A sport which isn't catered for by any other club in the school and which has nothing to do with being LGBTQ+.

You keep repeating that this club is for gay kids.

Anything called LGBTQ is not about gay kids and definitely not about lesbian kids. But you’re clearly very determined to ignore all the points that GC lesbians have made on this thread.

‘You keep repeating that this club is for gay kids. ‘

I do. My friends and I use that as a catch all to not have to say ‘lesbian, bisexual, gay, trans, queer:questioning’ because it’s a mouth ful.
and it’s quicker than typing LGBT etc etc
gay, queer call it whatever. Same same.

Not not.

But they're not the same. LG and B are sexualities. All the letters after the B are identities (of straight people). Those are two different things.

You're this close to getting it.

The reason it's a mouthful is because of all the other, unrelated identities that have been lumped in with the LGB.

But they aren't the same.

DS1 is gay. He is a male who is exclusively attracted to males.

DS2 and I are bisexual. We are attracted to males and females. Although both prefer men. We are not Gay and would not claim to be.

I have a good friend who is NB. They are also not Gay. They are trans-non-binary (their words)