New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

[SirChenjins]

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

How very dare he want to try a sport!

This isn't about a straight boy not getting to his own way all the time, this is about children only being allowed to join a school sports club if they subscribe to a particular political ideology which is deeply problematic and has nothing to do with the sport being played.

An LGBTQ+ sports club has no reason to exist, because sexual orientations and gender identities have nothing to do with sport.

Even if separate provision had been made for the rest of the children, who do not fall into this bizarre made up category, which it hasn't, it is deeply unhealthy for the children in question to other themselves in this way.

As has been explained to this poster ad infinitum - but they appear unable to assimilate this information and continue to ignore the questions that have been put to them repeatedly.

Support grps for gay kids doesn’t turn or make them gay.

You're right, they don't. Years of evidence across many cultures have found that it's pretty much impossible to make someone gay or stop them being gay.

But the evidence is that some support groups for LGBTQ kids do turn some kids trans. Kids who would otherwise come to terms with their sexed bodies or find some less dangerous outlet for their other discomforts.

Schools shouldn't run support groups for trans kids for much the same reasons that schools shouldn't run dieting groups or suicide support groups. These are far outside a school's ability to offer safe support.

Reading this thread has been like watching Albert Einstein explaining a telephone to a pigeon. It doesn't matter how many ways Einstein presents the facts, the pigeon cannot understand.

How about the lesbian girls being encouraged to think that they are boys, and that they need wrong-sex hormones and a mastectomy to be their true selves? And being pressured to accept boys who identify as girls as lesbians like them? Going to lose any sleep over them?

Presumably its a sport that can be played mixed-sex? In which case there's no bar against a GC pupil from defining as an "Ally" - I assume your child is not actively homophobic or transphobic (for the sensible meaning of transphobic where disagreeing with a belief system isn't transphobia) and your child is happy to affirm that peers who are LGBTQ shouldn't be discriminated against (no requirement to believe in gendermagic to affirm this) - they should therefore be welcome.

Do you think a child should have to declare themself an ally of Marxism, to join the school badminton club? Or an ally of Zoroastrianism, to join the school fencing club? Children should not have to declare allegiance to a political ideology, to join a school sports club. It's not about him being homophobic or transphobic, it's about a school restricting a sports club on the basis of children agreeing with a belief system which has no relevance to school or to the sport.

Yep. In addition to that, Einstein has recognised the pigeons’s limitations and asked it basic questions. Instead of answering them it’s simply repeated itself over and over and over again…

The space IS safe of it excludes people who object to the people it includes though?

Ah. So a political safe space from anyone with other beliefs? Or concerns about the beliefs?

Like a religious extremist group isolating itself from society's contamination? Children you are safe in here from the dangers of the infidel! In here, reality and boundaries shall not intrude.

Fgs we're talking about children. Are you really a fan of politically indoctrinating children? Are you really thinking to shove non compliant children in the gulag as well as all the women with needs and issues and beliefs that don't enable special men? And include in that the lesbian children for example who want to just be allowed to be sexually attracted to biological women and won't nicely be bi on command rather than hurt male feelings? Or the girls who get distressed and reluctant at getting their clothes off in the shower with a child they perceive as a boy? Exclude them until they stop crying and validate boys with their bodies?

I seriously am starting to wonder what some people are smoking that they are actually not able to understand all this! Whatever it is please share it around because escaping this kind of nutjobbery gets ever more attractive.

Agree @nothingcomestonothing

Let’s suppose it’s judo (it’s not). Trans ideology says that in this club, male bodied transgirls should be able to compete against lesbians. The lesbians say ‘nope, I don’t feel comfortable being grappled by a male, I’m concerned about being hurt, and actually, my views are GC’ The trans girl says ‘I identify as a girl, I have every right to participate as a girl, you’re being transphobic’. Children (like my son) say ‘I’d just like to take part in this sport without having to declare my allegiance to a political ideology’.

Meanwhile, in the other clubs, the teams are mixed equally, or if it’s one on one then it’s based on sex, and no child is required to be an ally of anything or have an understanding of an ideology that is complex and multifaceted. They just get on with playing the sport.

Sigh.

If the space includes TQ+ believers in gender ideology, it isn't 'safe' for lesbian or gay children, is it? As gender ideology denies same sex attraction, and defines lesbians as people of either sex who define themselves as female and are attracted to females. Quite aside from the point that a sport club should not be based on a political belief.

See my last post.

Some people are working really hard on not getting the point.

The OP's son doesn't object to the people, he objects to the ideology.

So OP, you’re now concerned that your son will hurt someone or get hurt in a club aimed at LGBTQ kids? Is that it?
I’m struggle to follow your logic now. Our school has lots of kids gender clubs, where appropriate. This club specifically puts kids in physical danger??

Is anyone actually reading any posts on this thread or just stuffing random bollocks at the end of it?

Because I have major concerns about the kittens in this club and the OP's worrying attitude towards jelly and right wing fidget toys.

For f’s sake, just go and speak to the school. Lodge your complaint where it might have some effect or move on.
the coulda shoulda woulda here is pointless.
What IF it was judo oh but it’s not…

@Froodwithatowel As if by magic, the random bollocks has just been posted above

I’m struggle to follow your logic now

That's been patently obvious for a while now. Fly free, little pigeon...

Exactly how many gender clubs is it appropriate for a school to have?

I wonder how many scientific discoveries will not be made, books not written, sporting records not broken and paintings not painted because a whole generation wasted their entire youth worrying about their imaginary genders instead of learning new skills.

But how does that play out in practice? He joins then complains about teams being selected based on gender, or partly on gender, rather than sex?

As I said earlier, it’s not a team based sport.