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New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

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SirChenjins · 08/09/2023 10:46

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

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Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 07:29

I say that because the club is open to non- LGBTQ kids - there for her ‘straight’ son can go and enjoy the sport/ activity he’s so impassioned about just as long as he’s happy to play alongside gay kids.
But for whatever reason, he’s unwilling to… and the only obvious reason is it’s because it’s aimed mainly at LGBTQ kids.

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 07:34

@DeeKavCoffee ’This thread seems more about complaining about the fact that there is a club for LGBTQ+ pupils, rather than complaining that there is no alternative. ‘

totally agree. And the OP seem to be happy to drag this one on without actually going to the school, who would presumably tell her - he’s not excluded just as they would if a club was aimed a BAME kids in a mostly white school. But if he goes don’t be racist. And don’t go to the LGBTQ club if you’re not going to be nice to those kids either .

How old is OPs son that he has such hard GC views that he can’t even mingle with LGBTQ kids at a lunchtime club without it affecting him negatively??

MargotBamborough · 13/09/2023 07:35

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 07:29

I say that because the club is open to non- LGBTQ kids - there for her ‘straight’ son can go and enjoy the sport/ activity he’s so impassioned about just as long as he’s happy to play alongside gay kids.
But for whatever reason, he’s unwilling to… and the only obvious reason is it’s because it’s aimed mainly at LGBTQ kids.

Why don't they just call it a mixed sex sports club then?

nothingcomestonothing · 13/09/2023 08:04

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 07:29

I say that because the club is open to non- LGBTQ kids - there for her ‘straight’ son can go and enjoy the sport/ activity he’s so impassioned about just as long as he’s happy to play alongside gay kids.
But for whatever reason, he’s unwilling to… and the only obvious reason is it’s because it’s aimed mainly at LGBTQ kids.

The OPs objection, as I think you know, is that a specific sport is only open to those willing to say they subscribe to a political ideology. It is for LGBTQ+ and allies. If that means it's for anyone, why is is badged for LGBTQ+.and allies?

In the same post you say her straight son can go, and that it's aimed at LGBTQ+ kids. In previous posts you've said the purpose of the club is that LGBTQ+ kids don't have to be around straights, but now you think OPs son should go? It doesn't seem a very coherent position that you're arguing here.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 13/09/2023 08:16

FWIW I asked my dc (19 and 16. One G, one B - as in LGB.) They both said they wouldn't attend a group like that because its a stupid way of deciding who can join. They are GC, although both have T/NB friends so perfectly able to be nice even if they disagree with the ideology.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 13/09/2023 08:23

millicent

i asked one of my sons if he ever went to the lgb club (as it was back then before any one gets overexcited) and it was a definite no

RufustheFactualReindeer · 13/09/2023 08:24

Would probably have been a worse club if it was jam packed full of straight allies 🤔

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 13/09/2023 08:30

rufus same here. DS1s school no one cared if you were LGB/T/anything else
black/white/sky pink blue. They didn't need a Club of their own because they could be openly and unashamedly themselves all the time.

DS2s school has such an issue with homophobic bullying (that the school deny) that the dickheads straight kids shout homophobic slurs through the door of the room the LGBT club meets in.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 13/09/2023 08:32

Oh my goodness millicent that sounds awful

of course those abusive children would actually be allowed to join as long as they said they were allies

they don’t actually need to be friends with any of those children…just allies

EmpressaurusOfCats · 13/09/2023 08:34

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 07:34

@DeeKavCoffee ’This thread seems more about complaining about the fact that there is a club for LGBTQ+ pupils, rather than complaining that there is no alternative. ‘

totally agree. And the OP seem to be happy to drag this one on without actually going to the school, who would presumably tell her - he’s not excluded just as they would if a club was aimed a BAME kids in a mostly white school. But if he goes don’t be racist. And don’t go to the LGBTQ club if you’re not going to be nice to those kids either .

How old is OPs son that he has such hard GC views that he can’t even mingle with LGBTQ kids at a lunchtime club without it affecting him negatively??

Have you noticed the number of lesbians in this thread who wouldn’t be keen on an LGBTQ club?
Lesbians can be and are gender critical. Gays & bisexuals too. Gender ideology as summed up in the TQ+ has nothing to do with being same-sex attracted, which is the definition of LGB. If anything it’s the exact opposite.
It sounds to me as if it’s the gender ideology part the OP’s son has the issue with, not the LGB part, & I’m right behind him on that. Is that right @SirChenjins?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 13/09/2023 08:36

It sounds to me as if it’s the gender ideology part the OP’s son has the issue with, not the LGB part, & I’m right behind him on that

that’s my take

Froodwithatowel · 13/09/2023 08:52

Have you noticed the number of lesbians in this thread who wouldn’t be keen on an LGBTQ club?

It's weird how many of us say this on multiple threads and no one hears.

It's all very British Rail and 'wrong kind of snow'.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 13/09/2023 09:25

Froodwithatowel · 13/09/2023 08:52

Have you noticed the number of lesbians in this thread who wouldn’t be keen on an LGBTQ club?

It's weird how many of us say this on multiple threads and no one hears.

It's all very British Rail and 'wrong kind of snow'.

Not many people on this thread know where their towel is.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 13/09/2023 09:28

I am never with out a towel

basic common sense right there

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 10:24

You and your child are clearly prejudging this group, OP. Perhaps he should actually go to a session - given how much he lives this activity- and he might find that the other children don’t actually fit his assumptions and prejudices ?

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 10:25

And for what it’s worth, I’m a lesbian who would have loved the opportunity to have gone to a grp like this as a teen.

Froodwithatowel · 13/09/2023 10:28

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 10:25

And for what it’s worth, I’m a lesbian who would have loved the opportunity to have gone to a grp like this as a teen.

Where everyone was required to be politically compliant to the idea you need to be open to sex with men if they transition and tell you they feel different inside?

You mean that kind of prejudice?

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 11:50

‘Don’t say gay’ doesn’t work. It didn’t work during Section 28 in this country and it won’t work now.
Support grps for gay kids doesn’t turn or make them gay. Banning them won’t make these kids any less gay. Nor will it ‘turn’ straight kids gay.
Despite the claims on this thread about ‘ideology’.
Feels we’re back in the 80s some
days.

MyHornCanPierceTheSky · 13/09/2023 11:56

@Perhapsperhapsto does your definition of gay encompass males with a penis who call themselves a lesbian and state they are entitled to have sex with female lesbians and those who don't are bigoted Terfs. Would you

MyHornCanPierceTheSky · 13/09/2023 11:57

Posted too soon!
Would you have sex (as a lesbian) with someone with a penis because they wanted to?

TheGreatATuin · 13/09/2023 11:57

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 11:50

‘Don’t say gay’ doesn’t work. It didn’t work during Section 28 in this country and it won’t work now.
Support grps for gay kids doesn’t turn or make them gay. Banning them won’t make these kids any less gay. Nor will it ‘turn’ straight kids gay.
Despite the claims on this thread about ‘ideology’.
Feels we’re back in the 80s some
days.

You have missed the entire point of this thread, I suspect deliberately, if you think anyone here is arguing for 'don't say gay'.
It's not even close to what is being discussed. I'm so fed up with seeing bad faith takes on this.
If you genuinely want things to get better, try reading and responding to what posters are actually saying.
Putting bigotry and hate in hearts when it isn't there helps absolutely no one.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 13/09/2023 12:27

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 11:50

‘Don’t say gay’ doesn’t work. It didn’t work during Section 28 in this country and it won’t work now.
Support grps for gay kids doesn’t turn or make them gay. Banning them won’t make these kids any less gay. Nor will it ‘turn’ straight kids gay.
Despite the claims on this thread about ‘ideology’.
Feels we’re back in the 80s some
days.

What we are all saying is that in a group that includes TQ, there will be boys who identify as girls, and that young lesbians who join this group are likely to be pressured to view them as girls for relationship purposes.

Organisations like Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence and Just Like Us think that lesbians should be open to mixed-sex relationships if the man / boy in question identifies as a woman / girl.

We are concerned that lesbians in a group like this will either be pressured not to be lesbian or encouraged to think that if they’re not stereotypical girls they must actually be trans boys.

This is worse than Section 28 ever was, because it’s homophobia disguised as inclusivity.

I can’t put it any more clearly than that. Although I strongly suspect you’re misunderstanding on purpose.

MargotBamborough · 13/09/2023 13:06

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 11:50

‘Don’t say gay’ doesn’t work. It didn’t work during Section 28 in this country and it won’t work now.
Support grps for gay kids doesn’t turn or make them gay. Banning them won’t make these kids any less gay. Nor will it ‘turn’ straight kids gay.
Despite the claims on this thread about ‘ideology’.
Feels we’re back in the 80s some
days.

Literally no one on this thread is saying "don't say gay".

Straw man argument.

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 13:07

‘You have missed the entire point of this thread, I suspect deliberately, if you think anyone here is arguing for 'don't say gay'.’

then you need to read a bit closer. There are plenty of posts on here saying a LGBTQ club shouldn’t exist AT ALL.

Perhapsperhapsto · 13/09/2023 13:08

I for one am not going to lose any sleep over a straight boy not getting to do everything he wants all the time. Sounds like he probably doesn’t hear the word ‘no’ very often.