New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

[SirChenjins]

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

As a lesbian, I'd quite like 'allies' to the politics to be less homophobic please, and permit me to be homosexual. And not run groups and clubs where women are only permitted to be homosexual if they loudly and clearly state willingness to have straight sex if a male person explains they internally identify as a woman. And I'd really like homosexual girls not to be trained young that they must 'learn to cope' with unwanted straight sex rather than upset men, as exhorted to by a well known activist athlete and the head of Stonewall, both publicly. Wouldn't you?

YES to everything @Froodwithatowel just said.

Absolutely @Froodwithatowel - completely agree

Surely keeping trans kids out of mainstream sports in their own little group is a good thing here ?

But its not just for trans kids @Billi80 . It's also for LGB kids and allies.

Is there not scope here though for people to choose which club they want to be in? A GC kid, be they straight or LGB has options here and nobody needs to feel excluded or scared.

There's only 1 club so no choice of 'which' club at all.
If anyone can join then they wouldn't need to specify its for lgbtq+ and allies. It would just be a club.

Perhaps you have not been following the sport threads closely.

Sex categories a) are logical b) deliver fairness and safety to women/girls and c) are fully inclusive as every human being fits into one or the other.
Female athletes claiming to be men continue to compete in the women's category. This is as it should be. Unless they are taking testosterone, which is a performance-enhancing drug.
The males claiming to be women self-exclude from the men's category and insist on being accommodated in the women's category. When sports governing bodies enforce the protected female category, excluding males (in practice most males but not all, unfortunately), some males who claim to be women claim they are excluded from sport. They are not. They are being required to respect the categories, as everyone else has to. The renaming of men's categories as Open caters for anyone of either sex who is good enough to compete.

So no, I don't want gender-confused kids playing sport in a group by themselves. Ideally they would be with their peers, in the teams/competitions appropriate to their sex, age and ability, having fun and generally reaping the benefits of participation in sport. If they find it unbearable to be in teams or competitions which are labelled boy' or girls then renaming the team for boys as Open might help. But the fact remains that the gender-questioning male children are welcome in the correct sex category - boys. The female children are welcome in the girls category.

There is only one club.

No they don't because this is the only club.

Good post.

I would also add that, given that what we are seeing at the moment appears to be some form of social contagion, with kids identifying as LGBTQ+ as a way of explaining just about any emotional issue they might be having, or because all their friends are, it seems to me to be counterproductive to make a sporting activity centred around being LGBTQ+.

I have felt for quite a while that if this is all still going on to the extent that it is when my kids (currently very young) are older, I will encourage my kids to do sport (preferably something time consuming and knackering) in the hope that during the day they are too busy and at night they are too tired to spend any time contemplating their gender identity, and in the hope that they develop a positive relationship with their body based on what it can do rather than whether it matches their personal identity.

I think the healthiest thing these kids could be doing is something completely unrelated to being LGBTQ+, which allows them to explore other aspects of themselves and hang out with children who don't define themselves in this way. Having a sports club for LGBTQ+ students, apart from.a the other issues already mentioned, seems counterproductive in that respect.

I think this was a mixed sex sport so probably not an issue.

i am genuinely curious to hear what the school say.

You will have to remain curious - I won’t be sharing the results of any conversation that I have with the school (if indeed I do raise it with them) with you.

And that, actually, you don’t think the LGBTQ kids need their own grp anyways?

What these children actually need is to spend time doing literally anything other than thinking about their sexual and/or gender identities.

Oh my post disappeared

why can’t just the quote go?

so….I said that the poster should stop putting words into the mouths of children who can’t defend themselves

‘these children actually need ‘

’these’ children? You mean the gay kids? What they actually need is not to experience homophobia so early in their lives. Preferably.
Regardless of whether or not they get to be part of a group or not in school will NOT change the fact they’re gay.

Just as Section 28 didn’t stop ANY gay man or woman still ring gay. It did cause a lot of pain and misery for many though, particularly as kids and teens.

Huh?

This isn't a club for gay kids, it's a club for LGBTQ+ kids and their allies. Everything to the right of the LGB means straight.

The only people telling gay kids not to be gay these days are the people suggesting they identify as a straight member of the opposite sex.

Not seeing the problem personally. GC girls and women have been fighting hard not to play sport alongside trans girls/women, and it's pretty hard for trans boys to play alongside natal boys. So a club which offers a third space seems like a good thing.

@DisquietintheRanks
Have you rtft? Obviously not.

For the millionth time - this is not the provision of a third space. This is the only club to learn/take part in what the OP described as a niche sport and the club is exclusively for LGBTQ+ kids and allies. So, in reality, a club for children who are prepared to subscribe to gender ideology. Apart from the fact that no other children will get the opportunity to learn this sport, kids should not be in political clubs aged 11.

Plus it is a mixed-sex sport anyway.