New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

[SirChenjins]

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

Exactly @Froodwithatowel

I agree msrgot

My point is that at least friend is clear, ally is not clear in the slightest

margot

Apologies

That sounds lovely. I wonder why women who have been raped aren't allowed the same support and respect in Brighton when they tried tio set up a women-only rape crisis group free from penises.

I suspect that some of what's really going on with this is the problem of very sporty kids vs non-sporty one.

The lgbtq+ club at my kids school is very much dominated by kids who are nerds, and kids who are in the class for those with intellectual disabilities. It's pretty clear why, they have absolute acceptance there, and something they can pin on themselves as an identity which has, at least amongst some, a kind of status, and these are kids who struggle socially.

In other schools I've seen it less like that, instead almost every girl is a member and there is some pressure for girls to join. But again, it functions mainly as a social group for kids who don't have other things to do.

A lot of school sports end up being dominated by kids who are very sporty and have some talent at that. Which is great, but it tends to leave out kids who just want to play a recreational game in a more casual way.

Way more important than an lgbtq club, IMO, are activities that will appeal to all kinds of kids. Music, drama, crochet club, baking club, doing good deeds club, whatever. And ideally, some of these, including some sports, should be available to kids who aren't super-talented in that area. And staff should make a real effort to make sure any kid who might be interested feels comfortable to be there.

Rather difficult though to create the impression that 'LGBT' is code for nerds and odd balls and non sporty types...

bit rough for the LGBT kids who aren't, or who are not keen to embrace that image. If that's the case, there's some indirect discrimination going on, as well as absolute political naivety/quite fantastic amounts of political bias.

So OK, let's assume that most trans people reject that attitude.

Why are lesbians getting kicked off lesbian dating sites just for saying, "I'm only interested in biological females"?

Why are lesbians having problems having female only meetings?

Are we seeing the trans community supporting lesbians over these issues?

Which trans organisations, or LGBT organisations, have issued statements in support of lesbians being able to have female only events?

The discrimination against lesbians seems to be very real, regardless of what percentage of trans people think like that.

Interesting logic from Gay Times:

But there are other reasons that the idea that lesbians are more likely to be anti-trans doesn’t add up. One is that being a lesbian and being trans are not mutually exclusive – sexual orientation and gender are different parts of our identities. You can be trans and a lesbian.

‘school was easily browbeaten then, thats a shame’

fead some of the posts on here and tell me you’re surprised. How many think that gay kids shouldn’t even have something geared towards them? Despite gay people saying it’s needed and that their lives would have been much easier if they’d have had something similar as kids?

I suspect there would be a lot more sympathy for the point of view that this is needed if the same people saying they need these things weren't also saying that biological women don't need their own sporting categories or rape support groups and if they want these things they are bigots who cannot even be left alone to do bigoted things like discuss their rape trauma among themselves, but must be stopped.

School should have stuck to its guns

How many times do we see people kicking off about uniforms and the schools don't fold over that

It's a shame your School didn't just refuse.

The school in the op is letting straight kids in as well

One of my children attended special needs activities at school to do with building confidence etc they didn't let anyone that didn't fit the basic criteria

If this club is actually supportive of LGB kids & not pushing the concept of gender ideology. But given the TQ on the end, that doesn’t seem likely.

In case anyone is interested in reading about the power of the TRAs - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4889977-female-women-not-permitted-to-meet-without-male-women?page=6

Perhaps you could read a few more posts and find the ones from gay people (I'm one) explaining what the issues are.

There's a lot of them, they're quite easy to find.

Yes. I’m another.

What about the gay and lesbian pupils who don’t buy transactivism? Or are GC?

This is the question nobody seems to want to answer.

It's a bit weird. I think maybe some is because they start having these clubs available when the kids are about 10 or 11, and most have little real sense of their sexuality. What they are identifying with is often just a sense of being an outsider. And in some cases also a kind of aesthetic, something like goth or artistic etc.

‘It's a bit weird. I think maybe some is because they start having these clubs available when the kids are about 10 or 11, and most have little real sense of their sexuality. ‘

not true. And I do wonder why straight people insist that there’s no way gay kids would have any inkling of the fact they might be gay when they think it’s perfectly normally for 11 year old straight kids to have crushes etc

For the 509th time in this thread, this is not about gay kids. This is a group offering a sport only to kids who declare their allegiance to a political ideology. A misogynistic, homophobic ideology. That is not fair, proportional, equal or inclusive.

The best precis I've seen so far, thank you.

‘Tell us you haven’t RTFT without telling us you haven’t RTFT’.

Pride pretty much is "straight Pride" these days!