Finally had time to sit and read everything properly. One of the things I've really appreciated since joining this board is just how much nuance and discussion we have on here. It's not just soundbites, it's something that takes time to both digest and respond to.
Well, I think it's fair to say that I can see no more value in directly replying to the insults and (frankly baffling!) accusations above. One thing I do think worth calling out though is that it's interesting how abuse is being framed. When "trans genocide" is written in long form like this, rather than just mantras, it's quite telling that there isn't actually any substance to it. I'm still empathetic that someone will feel angry and scared (and therefore lash out) when they feel under threat - but that doesn't mean the threat is real. My empathy wanes significantly though when someone can't recognise how their screeching (in written form) is coming across.
I'm glad that that the posts have stayed in the thread as it was interesting (at the beginning anyway, while there was still something to discuss) to explore whether there was a sensible challenge to the idea that the RO in the ROGD was a misnomer. I haven't seen anything to suggest that it is and the subsequent posts just demonstrate what happens when that becomes apparent.
@Rudderneck and @Diverze that all makes a lot of sense about puberty. In the past, nobody would have suggested that perhaps a person's distress at puberty was an indication that it was the "wrong" puberty. It's a very new phenomenon at a societal level and, as PPs have said, it's most often the adolescent girls that fall under social contagions in general.
I think a lot of what ends up as what we are calling RODG has it's origins in this kind of experience, which kids seem to believe is abnormal or a sign of something wrong, that needs to be fixed.
Maybe in part because parenting and school now doesn't much emphasize working through hard things. But mainly because they are being told that discomfort - and I mean really serious discomfort and upset - with the body is "dysphoria" rather than a totally normal part of adolescence that affects 90% of kids.
Agreed, but I do believe that there is value in unpicking it through the lens of gender dysphoria. The "gender" angle is only possible if you have a belief that gender identity is real, but we're at a point now where this belief has permeated so much in education and healthcare that it would be like King Kanute and the tide trying to hold it back. If children are told it is a "truth" they will explore their feelings about their body through this lens.