"But the thing is we do have people saying it, a lot! There's someone saying exactly that on this thread! And this exact "if she says she's a woman she's a woman and that's that, the body isn't relevant to anything" idea is used by some very big hitters (Stonewall etc) as the justification for male bodies in women's sport and safe/private spaces."
Are you really so arrogant you think you know better than I do what the community that I am part of is saying and doing? Have more respect please! Also, go back and read what I actually wrote, your reading and comprehension clearly aren't up to snuff.
"And perhaps that's part of the problem. You aren't exposed to people making this sort of argument in the name of the trans community, but we are. So when we talk about it and the problems it raises you think it's GC strawmanning. And undoubtably the other way as well, the really nasty transphobic attitudes that I see in some other places may not get a look in on FWR but the trans community does experience them, and so we in FWR get tarred with attitudes we don't have as well."
Yeah, one little problem with that; your behaviour in this this very post. If you can't stop yourself from engaging in vile behaviour when you are, seemingly, trying to be nice, I'm really not going to buy this attempted whitewashing of "FWR," whoever they are...
"I would consider myself a man who used to be a woman. (I'd also be bloody furious and possibly psychotic, but that's a different problem!)"
So you would allow then medical establishment to control your perception of your own gender by manipulating what medical resources you had access to? You clearly don't understand just how much abuse the medical community has done to the trans community and how horrific that abuse was and, in to many cases, still is. If you did have the slightest clue you would understand exactly why the idea of "let the doctor control your gender" would make any trans person run away screaming.
Also, your attitude is very much at odds with the majority. The majority of people would view the "psychological" self as the true self, regardless of the physical self. To be quite frank, I strongly suspect you have adopted this attitude to support your other opinions, not out of any natural feeling.
"Again not the first time I've thought about that!
I think I'd fuck up a lot as a man at first, but assuming it's a one way street, I'd accept my new reality and get on with it. I'd likely find it fascinating to learn first hand how the world really works for men. I hope my experience as a woman made me a better friend and ally to women than many men.
I'd DEFINITELY write my name in the snow!"
Are you sure you're not trans? 🙄
"That's important when we flip the scenario and consider a woman who used to be a man. Some of women's protections/rights are due to purely physical differences but many are to protect us from the entitlement of men - they perve at us, they speak over us, they encrouch on us, and they dismiss and belittle us. A woman who used to be a man has grown up as the encroucher not the encrouchee - and for that reason even in the fantasy where the body can truly be flipped to the opposite sex, I would put limitations on treating her exactly the same as women who were always women. Not because of the body as it is today, but because of the journey taken to get there and what that means for the person in the body."
And there we have it. You just couldn't resist the urge to air your vile bigoted fantasies, could you. Since you have behaved respectfully until now I will ONE chance to display the appropriate level of contrition and go back to being respectful and appropriate.
Here's the most important fact you need to impress on your mind:
Transgender children do not get treated like cisgender children. Transgender children do not get male privilege.
Let me repeat that:
Transgender children do not get treated like cisgender children. Transgender children do not get male privilege.
Demonstrate an appropriate understanding of that, or, at minimum, a willingness to learn and an appropriately respectful attitude and we wont have any more trouble. But if you ever dare to lecture me on what my childhood was like, or make presumptions about what I experienced as a child, I will have words to say to you that you will not like. Is that clear? >:(