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Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 11:30

FoodFann · 29/08/2023 08:40

I’d club together with the other parents and hire a private detective and really have a good look at this bloke’s life.

But in the short term, I’d remove my children from the school before he joined.

Somehow I don’t think my DH, or any of the other school Dads would be too welcoming of this teacher, and I think they’d find a way of making that very, very clear.

All of which would open those doing any of these things to prosecution under Canada's laws on hate speech and transphobic discrimination.

Thelonelygiraffe · 29/08/2023 11:42

Why on EARTH would any school want to hire this man? There must be enough normal teachers out there? It beggars belief.

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 11:46

Thelonelygiraffe · 29/08/2023 11:42

Why on EARTH would any school want to hire this man? There must be enough normal teachers out there? It beggars belief.

Virtue signalling would be a strong contender for the reason why

Rudderneck · 29/08/2023 11:46

As far as the hoax element, what was suggested was that this guy had been disciplined previously for not going along with certain woke things the school or board was imposing, and that this was probably an attempt to get himself let go with a pension intact.

I don't think that's a far out scenario, it's a lot more common than many people realize, at least here in Canada, for problem employees to be eased out with financial compensation if they have some kind of minority status. At least from professional kinds of jobs in bureaucratic environments.

Is it in fact true? I don't know, but the idea that it's not possible because somehow that would be minimizing weirdo perverts makes no sense. It is possible that weirdo perverts and grifters both exist.

DarkDayforMN · 29/08/2023 11:51

Why on EARTH would any school want to hire this man? There must be enough normal teachers out there? It beggars belief.

This part is so strange and I would love to understand it. The recent inappropriate American tennis coach too - I think they put off the decision about rehiring him but why not simply hire someone else?

Since it’s the same school board as before is it somehow down to fear of litigation from a member of the protected caste? But why isn't the fear of enabling his behaviour (in the face of massive public attention!) and being held responsible for it just as compelling?

AlisonDonut · 29/08/2023 11:51

Thelonelygiraffe · 29/08/2023 11:42

Why on EARTH would any school want to hire this man? There must be enough normal teachers out there? It beggars belief.

He has been moved within the same group. Moved sideways.

Perhaps they have better locking doors at this prison ahem school?

DarkDayforMN · 29/08/2023 11:53

the idea that it's not possible because somehow that would be minimizing weirdo perverts makes no sense

Indeed, that makes no sense. I don’t think anyone said it.

Thelonelygiraffe · 29/08/2023 12:02

Virtue signalling would be a strong contender for the reason why

But, @Chersfrozenface, what sort of idiot would put virtue signalling above everything else? The needs of the children this fetishist will be teaching, the massive pain of changing school policies to suit this teacher, the backlash from appalled parents? Why???

Datun · 29/08/2023 12:12

It's remarkable, isn't it, how incredulous everyone is. It's quite difficult to accept that it's actually happening.

It could be a grift, in order to get a payout, it could be a fetish. I don't think anyone can underestimate the lengths some men will go to for, say, a humiliation fetish.

The real issue, in my opinion, is the people who are allowing it to happen.

It doesn't matter what his motivation is, a man wearing fetish clothing is being allowed to teach children. And as someone said above, locking them in so they can't escape from it, and locking parents out so they can't intervene.

Whether you condone violence in the situation or not, I can almost guarantee it's going to happen.

The man has lied, though, saying it's a medical condition. This would be perfectly easy to prove, by following him.

Surely that would be enough to fire him, if you wanted to.

They don't want to.

The truly frightening thing is there are enough adults, in the education system no less, who want children to be exposed to a man's fetish.

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 12:34

But, @Chersfrozenface, what sort of idiot would put virtue signalling above everything else?

The sort of idiot who legislates for these things, the sort of idiot who administers the resulting systems and the sort of idiot who votes those legislating (and sometimes administering) idiots into office?

FoodFann · 29/08/2023 13:01

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 11:30

All of which would open those doing any of these things to prosecution under Canada's laws on hate speech and transphobic discrimination.

So a parent can’t choose which school to send their child to? How dystopian.

LizzieSiddal · 29/08/2023 13:20

So many questions?!

I wonder on time if we will receive any answers. I hope so.

Toddlerteaplease · 29/08/2023 13:21

Those nipples are so
Obviously fake!

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 13:23

FoodFann · 29/08/2023 13:01

So a parent can’t choose which school to send their child to? How dystopian.

Let's look at it realistically.

All public schools (what we call state schools) in Hamilton are controlled by the same school board. I'm not sure what chance a parent would have of moving a child from one school to another.

Home schooling is one possibility, though Ontario has some rules on that. It would have repercussions for the parents' employment status, in all likelihood.

I believe there are private schools in Hamilton, but they would charge fees. I've no idea what policies they would have with regard to this and how much they would be constrained by Canada's frankly batshit genderist legislation.

RealityFan · 29/08/2023 13:34

Putting aside the anger here, how's this all going to work in practice? How're the girls in class gonna feel with a highly sexualized pornified "female" in their vicinity, in charge? And how other boys in class will then react to them?

And the boys? Is this really fair on them? How are they meant to negotiate the stereotypes here?

And then the sheer practicalities. This individual can hardly bend over or do anything normal carrying those. I've seen the machine shop photos, beyond the satire, sheer health and safety disaster written all over it.

How is this teacher meant to get up close to any pupil when aiding them in their class activities?

At what point are we expecting the kids, and their parents, not to notice? Is that really the expectation?

Did anyone stop to think for one nanosecond about all this, or does TWAW, # BeKind, all accepting/no bullying etc just thru force of will and sloganeering now become the driving force, to push this Brave New World on?

Datun · 29/08/2023 13:50

There's no way some kid isn't going to show up, maybe at the behest of outraged parents, in similar attire. Maybe they all will.

If the board isn't asking for medical proof from the teacher, they'd be hard pushed to insist upon it for a pupil.

And If they have different rules over what teachers can wear, then some bright spark will consider that discriminatory on the grounds of gender expression.

I'd love to see it go to court.

We know that Jessica Yaniv wasn't really reported on by the Canadian press. Does anyone know if Canada, as a whole, is aware of this bloke?

ArabeIIaScott · 29/08/2023 17:26

Plasmodesmata · 29/08/2023 09:14

I would have thought "no visible nipples" a reasonable dress code for teachers of either sex.

At the last school he taught at, this was specified in the dress code for pupils but not teachers, iirc. I believe there were moves to update that for teachers, but then he seems to have been withdrawn from teaching. Until now.

Rudderneck · 29/08/2023 17:53

Parents can ask to send kids to another school. However, that depends on their being a space. The are guaranteed a space in their own school, by location, but not an out of area request.

They are also required to arrange transportation privately.

Some kids might be eligible for special schools, like an arts school, French, or Catholic board, but that all depends.

As far as why another school hired him, it might be down to the union agreement. If he has a lot of experience, there are often strict rules about who gets chosen for jobs, it's about seniority to a large extent.

Mustardseed86 · 29/08/2023 17:55

There seems to be something very wrong with Canada.

Rudderneck · 29/08/2023 17:57

Datun · 29/08/2023 13:50

There's no way some kid isn't going to show up, maybe at the behest of outraged parents, in similar attire. Maybe they all will.

If the board isn't asking for medical proof from the teacher, they'd be hard pushed to insist upon it for a pupil.

And If they have different rules over what teachers can wear, then some bright spark will consider that discriminatory on the grounds of gender expression.

I'd love to see it go to court.

We know that Jessica Yaniv wasn't really reported on by the Canadian press. Does anyone know if Canada, as a whole, is aware of this bloke?

Yes, it was widely reported. Some news sources (CBC I am looking at you) tried not to show photos, but it became difficult to maintain that as others did and it was on the internet.

A lot of people thought of it as a freaky one-off though. Too weird to be true on a large scale.

bellac11 · 29/08/2023 19:45

Rudderneck · 29/08/2023 11:46

As far as the hoax element, what was suggested was that this guy had been disciplined previously for not going along with certain woke things the school or board was imposing, and that this was probably an attempt to get himself let go with a pension intact.

I don't think that's a far out scenario, it's a lot more common than many people realize, at least here in Canada, for problem employees to be eased out with financial compensation if they have some kind of minority status. At least from professional kinds of jobs in bureaucratic environments.

Is it in fact true? I don't know, but the idea that it's not possible because somehow that would be minimizing weirdo perverts makes no sense. It is possible that weirdo perverts and grifters both exist.

This is what I think remember people saying

I dont know the truth of it.

I feel so despondent about all of this stuff

nomoremsniceperson · 29/08/2023 19:50

Canada hasn't just lost the plot, it's put the plot through a shredder, set the pieces on fire and tossed the ashes into the wind. Nothing I read about the country surprises me any more, including this:

Z cup teacher is back in a new school
bellac11 · 29/08/2023 19:55

I always thought they were sensible as a nation, Im so shocked at what Ive learned (from this forum) about Canada

PermanentTemporary · 29/08/2023 20:04

I'm with Rudderneck on the likely motivation for doing it.

But yes, the question is why there doesn't seem to be any ability on the part of the employer to set boundaries even of basic practicality in the workplace.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 29/08/2023 20:04

The guy were exactly the same costume (wig, breasts and pink top) when sky-diving and filmed the whole lot. That makes me think this is a wholly provocative act.

But there is too much of an obsession about motivations (people seem to be just as obsessed about men and their fetishes as the men are about their fetishes), when there should be rules and regulations in place to prevent this from happening regardless of motivation.