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Yet more police idiocy.

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Imnobody4 · 09/08/2023 21:00

https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1689341024290607106?t=PlSPnePhEVLMVBfRD89aRA&s=19

This shows the arrest of a teenage autistic girl by about 5 police officers. From what I can make out it is for a 'hate' crime. She apparently said a police officer was a Lesbian. Her Nan is a lesbian - that police officer is like my Nan.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of these officers.

https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1689341024290607106?s=19&t=PlSPnePhEVLMVBfRD89aRA

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Bosky · 21/08/2023 07:21

Oh FFS!!! I jumped straight to the end of the thread to see what the latest update was and sodding Felix is in here mithering on! Anything involving the Police and E. L. Wisty's Police Procedurals are filling up the page!

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PatatiPatatras · 21/08/2023 07:23

I'm going to speculate on what lessons they might have learned.

  1. Teenage girls say things. It was the girl's fault but don't react to it.
  2. Calling you a lesbian was extreme hate and we're sorry but it has exposed us so next time just report it to us first.
  3. Turn off body cams when a queer looking member of the police force is on duty. (I'd think it was offensive to other people but I don't put this past them)

Most likely nothing to do with the actual outrage they've caused. Just how to hide what they do or handle it outside of visibility is my guess.

Anyone want to guess if they've actually apologised to the girl and her mum (and nan!)?

Felix125 · 21/08/2023 08:45

PatatiPatatras
Just ignore comments made by people in such circumstances.

The goal here was to return a vulnerable teenage girl back home. Do that and move on. If you are affected or upset by simple comments such as this, then you are in the wrong job.

IcakethereforeIam · 21/08/2023 09:35

See! To the point and, above all, short. I approve of this remark.

And no mavising. Also good.

Felix125 · 21/08/2023 09:43

Whether that's enough as a 'lessons learned' for these officers or do people want more?

IcakethereforeIam · 21/08/2023 09:52

Do you know anything by the Spice Girls?

Felix125 · 21/08/2023 10:00

Yes

Felix125 · 21/08/2023 10:06

IcakethereforeIam
Careful though according to Ifeelsuchflutterings, we are all at a party with specific topics in specific rooms.

We can't suddenly shift from one topic to another in a that room.

We will have to 'go into another room' to talk about the Spice Girls I believe.

Although I think everyone else can talk about the Spice Girls in this room, except for me of course.

IcakethereforeIam · 21/08/2023 10:10

Thank you @Felix125 I have all the information I need 😊

Felix125 · 21/08/2023 10:15

Great!

PatatiPatatras · 21/08/2023 16:42

Felix125 · 21/08/2023 08:45

PatatiPatatras
Just ignore comments made by people in such circumstances.

The goal here was to return a vulnerable teenage girl back home. Do that and move on. If you are affected or upset by simple comments such as this, then you are in the wrong job.

I know it'll be said like that. The vague shit sandwich. That vague bit is hiding all the victim blaming and homophobic nonsense they can't say out loud which they actually mean.

Affected by "simple comments" and "circumstances" 🙄

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 21/08/2023 16:49

PatatiPatatras · 21/08/2023 16:42

I know it'll be said like that. The vague shit sandwich. That vague bit is hiding all the victim blaming and homophobic nonsense they can't say out loud which they actually mean.

Affected by "simple comments" and "circumstances" 🙄

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Exactly

Boomboom22 · 22/08/2023 00:31

Well done Felix I think you are starting to see the sunlight. Slowly but surely. Please do try to take this part of yourself to work with you.

Felix125 · 22/08/2023 00:46

Boomboom22
I do - and I have said i would have just walked away. In fact everyone i know would have walked away. Not sure why she and they reacted like she/they did.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 22/08/2023 01:21

@Felix125 we can agree you would walk away, you've agreed the police officer should have ignored it and not called for backup, fair enough but then why did none of the other police who attended assess the situation, see a distressed child having an autistic meltdown and try to diffuse the situation. How does it get to a situation when so many police appear to react so inappropriately? This is the real problem, it's not one rogue officer.

Felix125 · 22/08/2023 01:42

BaronessEllarawrosaurus
That's why I said 'they'.
Yes, they all should have walked away. The 7 cops who responded to the assistance call should have re-assessed the situation and defused it by not arresting her.

But it depends what the one cop told the responding 7 when they got there.

Has she given them the full picture, has she 'over-egged' it and made it sound 10 times worse than what it was?

Boomboom22 · 22/08/2023 04:17

It seems likely she has. So do you think she will be quietly disciplined?

FatNoMoreSue · 22/08/2023 08:24

I hope she’s named, shamed and sacked. I’m amazed nobody knows her to leak her name tbh.

PatatiPatatras · 22/08/2023 08:47

I do prefer calling her Lesbian Nana.

And it isn't MN style to leak any personal details.

TheClogLady · 22/08/2023 09:12

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 22/08/2023 01:21

@Felix125 we can agree you would walk away, you've agreed the police officer should have ignored it and not called for backup, fair enough but then why did none of the other police who attended assess the situation, see a distressed child having an autistic meltdown and try to diffuse the situation. How does it get to a situation when so many police appear to react so inappropriately? This is the real problem, it's not one rogue officer.

I got the impression (personal interpretation of the video) that just one of the officers was having a ‘WTF are we doing?’ moment.

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 22/08/2023 09:14

Felix125 · 22/08/2023 01:42

BaronessEllarawrosaurus
That's why I said 'they'.
Yes, they all should have walked away. The 7 cops who responded to the assistance call should have re-assessed the situation and defused it by not arresting her.

But it depends what the one cop told the responding 7 when they got there.

Has she given them the full picture, has she 'over-egged' it and made it sound 10 times worse than what it was?

And at the point where she is hiding under the cupboard hitting herself why and her mum is pointing out she is autistic why did they continue?

Why did none of them say:

"Austism is disability that includes issues with communication, we should just leave this"

It's like arresting a visually impaired person because they didn't see a sign telling them not to go somewhere ffs

Felix125 · 22/08/2023 14:46

Ifeelsuchflutterings
On the face of it yes - i agree. based on what was alleged and what they were told by her parents they should have backed away.

You can agree if this a murder enquiry - then yes, they should have been there and detained her. And if all diplomacy didn't work then you might have had to use force to bring her out.

But it would have been clear that this job was not that serious - so alternatives could have been considered.

Boomboom22
Yes - chances are she will be quietly disciplined.
Action planned or grounded whilst an internal investigation goes on.
Possibly re-trained.

Although don't get me started with police training.
I will agree that it is woeful at the best of times. Most of it is done via E-learning packages and you are told to find 3 hours in your day to complete one.

And where do you find a spare 3 hours without interruption?

I have about 8 packages stacking at present with no time being given to complete them.

The last mental health package we had was concerning Dissociated Personality Disorder.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 22/08/2023 15:00

@Felix125 I suppose what I mean is any decent person should have read that situation and backed off and not escalated the situation but these are police officers and they didn't. There is something seriously gone wrong when police behave in this manner. It's nothing to do with not being able to keep up with training but about abuse of power and the fact so many went along with it means there is a cultural issue at wyp that needs sorting. This is not a situation that a private rebuke of one or even a handful of officers will correct.

Felix125 · 22/08/2023 17:48

BaronessEllarawrosaurus
like i say - it goes back to what update she gave the other officer who attended.

Has she said:

She needs arresting/restraining as she said i look like her nana

or

She needs arresting/restraining as she has has been violent towards me (or something similar)

But i go back to what I originally said, in that she is wrong and should have just returned her back home and walked away and ignored any comment.

Not sure why she took such offence - when we return kids back home who didn't want to be found/returned we get called much worse. She should be use to this. Unless she is brand new or never dealt with anything similar.

Should she be sacked, disciplined or re-trained though?