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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman denied cancer treatment for "transphobic" views and discharged from future care

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HootyMcBooby76 · 08/08/2023 10:10

Have we discussed this?
Apologies if so.
Woman Accuses Hospital of Denying Cancer Treatment Over Transphobic Comment (newsweek.com)

So the mantra is LITERALLY accept this ideology or be prepared to die.
And THEY have the gall to call us (insert word for a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers' Party).

This is why healthcare and this ideology should be kept very far apart. Healthcare is no longer neutral and unbiased.
Believe or die.

Woman Accuses Hospital of Denying Cancer Treatment

Woman accuses hospital of denying cancer treatment over transphobic comment

The woman compared the hospital's display of a transgender banner to a Nazi flag.

https://www.newsweek.com/woman-accuses-hospital-denying-cancer-treatment-over-transphobic-comment-1817671

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Bouledeneige · 09/08/2023 12:28

I think she was being very difficult and looking for confrontation really. I think instances like this suggest the dilemma of US allies on this issue - gender critical culture wars are popular with right wing Trumpists and evangelicals who are not my natural allies.

I'm a Terf but I don't think I really object to rainbow etc flags - if they are signalling they welcome diversity so be it. But I would object to not being able to access women only care and treatment where appropriate.

MillicentBystandr · 09/08/2023 12:29

@Murica
MillicentBystandr · Yesterday 18:22
A quick google shows three other hospital networks in Portland/Beaverton Oregon area that also do oncology: Providence, Adventist, and Legacy. They accept most health insurance providers as well.

Murica · 09/08/2023 12:48

MillicentBystandr · 09/08/2023 12:29

@Murica
MillicentBystandr · Yesterday 18:22
A quick google shows three other hospital networks in Portland/Beaverton Oregon area that also do oncology: Providence, Adventist, and Legacy. They accept most health insurance providers as well.

Yes, all those are part of OHSU. She has been dismissed from that network. And since the Richmond clinic is a Federally Qualified Health Center, it's likely she can't afford to toddle off to just any clinic.

Swansandcustard · 09/08/2023 13:23

@Murica no, I didn’t misread. I think he would take your view on this so thought actually you’d prefer his flag to the Trans one. I’m guessing there should be no gay emblems, or neurodiversity or any of the other groups who struggle against bigoted attitudes?

MillicentBystandr · 09/08/2023 13:26

Murica · 09/08/2023 12:48

Yes, all those are part of OHSU. She has been dismissed from that network. And since the Richmond clinic is a Federally Qualified Health Center, it's likely she can't afford to toddle off to just any clinic.

Google says they are not part of OHSU. Various websites say they Hager affiliation agreements which mean they can transfer patients between them while complying with HIPAA.

MillicentBystandr · 09/08/2023 13:26

Have affiliation agreements

Murica · 09/08/2023 13:32

Swansandcustard · 09/08/2023 13:23

@Murica no, I didn’t misread. I think he would take your view on this so thought actually you’d prefer his flag to the Trans one. I’m guessing there should be no gay emblems, or neurodiversity or any of the other groups who struggle against bigoted attitudes?

What?
You think he wouldn't want Trump Flags every where? I think he probably would.

BaileySharp · 09/08/2023 13:39

In the NHS we treat people we disagree with. We treat criminals, we treat rude people. I don't think it's right to stop treatment even if the patient was rude and hard work, but that's private healthcare for you I guess

NewNameNigel · 09/08/2023 14:49

BaileySharp · 09/08/2023 13:39

In the NHS we treat people we disagree with. We treat criminals, we treat rude people. I don't think it's right to stop treatment even if the patient was rude and hard work, but that's private healthcare for you I guess

I have a couple of friends who no longer work for the nhs because they were expected to tolerate racism on an almost daily basis from patients. They are not the only people who have left our already understaffed nhs due to being treated appallingly by patients.
Our system isn't perfect either.

Don't forget that the staff treating people are also human beings.

MillicentBystandr · 09/08/2023 17:04

BaileySharp · 09/08/2023 13:39

In the NHS we treat people we disagree with. We treat criminals, we treat rude people. I don't think it's right to stop treatment even if the patient was rude and hard work, but that's private healthcare for you I guess

I agree, and if the NHS is privatised that is something we would lose.

BaileySharp · 09/08/2023 17:14

NewNameNigel · 09/08/2023 14:49

I have a couple of friends who no longer work for the nhs because they were expected to tolerate racism on an almost daily basis from patients. They are not the only people who have left our already understaffed nhs due to being treated appallingly by patients.
Our system isn't perfect either.

Don't forget that the staff treating people are also human beings.

I work for NHS myself. Racism isn't fine but I don't think it should be a death sentence which withdrawing treatment would be. We maybe wouldn't make so much small talk or be quite so friendly with unpleasant patients but we still have to treat them. It is entirely different if a patient refuses treatment because they demand a white doctor. They get who is available or don't get seen! But then withdrawing is the patient decision not the staff

Ofcourseshecan · 09/08/2023 17:14

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 10:43

This is another reason to fight for our NHS. This is what privatisation leads to- healthcare gets downgraded from a human right to a luxury item.

Absolutely true.

MillicentBystandr · 09/08/2023 17:19

Ofcourseshecan · 09/08/2023 17:14

Absolutely true.

Yep, I mean look at what has happened to our dentists.

NewNameNigel · 09/08/2023 17:25

BaileySharp · 09/08/2023 17:14

I work for NHS myself. Racism isn't fine but I don't think it should be a death sentence which withdrawing treatment would be. We maybe wouldn't make so much small talk or be quite so friendly with unpleasant patients but we still have to treat them. It is entirely different if a patient refuses treatment because they demand a white doctor. They get who is available or don't get seen! But then withdrawing is the patient decision not the staff

I think it's a balancing act of rights.

Ultimately if we treat our nhs staff like dirt and fail to protect them then they'll leave which means longer waiting lists and already stretched staff having to pick up more, leading to more leaving. This is also a death sentence for many people.

I don't agree with the nhs withdrawing treatment from people but I don't blame staff who withdraw themselves from the nhs which has the same effect ultimately.

Also there is a line. Do you really think nhs staff should have to treat soneone who, for example, physically attacks them?

RumandSpinach · 09/08/2023 17:47

This isn't about a flag or her cancer treatment. She was being vile about an individual and they have reacted by no longer offering her a private service from their business. Even by her own account she sounds deeply unpleasant.

"However, the situation intensified this year after Barbera tried to leave a message for her doctor about blood test results. The receptionist urged her to make an appointment instead. Not wanting to add another medical appointment to her calendar, Barbera refused. The receptionist allegedly got frustrated and "hung up on" Barbera, according to Barbera's comments in the Reduxx report. I asked, guessing 'did I hurt the trans person's feelings?' And the receptionist took offense to the question, asking 'what did you say' slowly and with great emphasis," Barbera told Reduxx, adding that she ended the call after the comment.

RumandSpinach · 09/08/2023 17:58

BaileySharp · 09/08/2023 13:39

In the NHS we treat people we disagree with. We treat criminals, we treat rude people. I don't think it's right to stop treatment even if the patient was rude and hard work, but that's private healthcare for you I guess

I think it depends on the treatment. This clinic doesn't offer oncology so this wasn't treatment for cancer.

I'd like to think if you were in an NHS ward and didn't need life preserving treatment and you were consistently racist/abusive then you would be discharged. NHS staff shouldn't need to risk their own wellbeing for someone who could behave better but chooses not to.

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