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Woman denied cancer treatment for "transphobic" views and discharged from future care

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HootyMcBooby76 · 08/08/2023 10:10

Have we discussed this?
Apologies if so.
Woman Accuses Hospital of Denying Cancer Treatment Over Transphobic Comment (newsweek.com)

So the mantra is LITERALLY accept this ideology or be prepared to die.
And THEY have the gall to call us (insert word for a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers' Party).

This is why healthcare and this ideology should be kept very far apart. Healthcare is no longer neutral and unbiased.
Believe or die.

Woman Accuses Hospital of Denying Cancer Treatment

Woman accuses hospital of denying cancer treatment over transphobic comment

The woman compared the hospital's display of a transgender banner to a Nazi flag.

https://www.newsweek.com/woman-accuses-hospital-denying-cancer-treatment-over-transphobic-comment-1817671

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Throwawaymdjsjeb · 08/08/2023 18:28

@HootyMcBooby76 i mean she literally compared the trans flag to the nazi flag. No matter where you stand on the pro-trans / GC spectrum I think that statement is pretty disgusting and I would be seriously concerned by ANYONE who didn't find that extremely offensive

NewNameNigel · 08/08/2023 18:29

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 14:35

I agree with rattlerattle that the comparison of trans flag to confederate flag is off the mark.

I personally think it is toxic white feminism to blithely conflate slavery with trans ideology.

Thank you for saying this @MillicentBystandr

As a black woman I have pretty much stopped posting on this page because there is a huge amount comments like this. See also comparing drag queens to black and white minstrels and saying that transgenderism is the same as trans racialism.

Race and gender are so incredibly different for people who are racialised. I get that white people don't have the experience to understand this first hand but they should understand that it's not for them to make the comparison.

NewNameNigel · 08/08/2023 18:30

MintJulia · 08/08/2023 18:27

Speaking as someone who is having treatment for breast cancer now, I am so grateful for the kindness, patience and care shown by my breast care team, in the most frightening of circumstances, that frankly the entire team could dress in outfits from Widow Twanky to Willy Wonka, and I couldn't care less.

Their expertise, advice, empathy, and resilience when mine is faltering makes up for any minor discomfort or inconvenience.

Unless there is a huge back story, the lady concerned needs to focus on the essentials like quality of care. Nothing else really matters, especially not a flag.

Wishing the best for a speedy recovery @MintJulia

PatatiPatatras · 08/08/2023 19:39

Women. Bloody women. Always difficult. I'm sure she was a super Karen going on about something or the other she disagreed with and not in a nice way. Tut, tut.
And the crusaders had no option but to cut her off.

Ever since I realised how trying to stand up for reality can make you sad, mad, bad, I don't trust anyone who calls a woman difficult.

Videos/ hospital records or this is a twist on a twisted tale. (i.e. the new pictures or it didn't happen)

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 20:58

There should be respect from all feminists for the scale of these historic atrocities. Comparisons to them should not be done lightly or as a way to cloak offended feelings in hyperbole.

Have you ever considered the scale of the atrocities commited against the female sex? Or is it hiding in plain sight, too big to see?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women
https://criminalinjurieshelpline.co.uk/blog/sexual-assault-data-stats

PickAChew · 08/08/2023 21:06

She sounds like the sort of gobshite who has family in need of the stately homes thread. Even putting across her own side of the story doesn't help her to sound like a reasonable person who has been badly done by.

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 21:19

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 20:58

There should be respect from all feminists for the scale of these historic atrocities. Comparisons to them should not be done lightly or as a way to cloak offended feelings in hyperbole.

Have you ever considered the scale of the atrocities commited against the female sex? Or is it hiding in plain sight, too big to see?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women
https://criminalinjurieshelpline.co.uk/blog/sexual-assault-data-stats

Have you considered the fact that the Trans flag in no way symbolises any of that?

CurlewKate · 08/08/2023 21:21

I am as sure as I can be that this didn't happen.

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 21:25

NewNameNigel · 08/08/2023 18:29

Thank you for saying this @MillicentBystandr

As a black woman I have pretty much stopped posting on this page because there is a huge amount comments like this. See also comparing drag queens to black and white minstrels and saying that transgenderism is the same as trans racialism.

Race and gender are so incredibly different for people who are racialised. I get that white people don't have the experience to understand this first hand but they should understand that it's not for them to make the comparison.

I am also a Black woman :)

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 21:29

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 21:19

Have you considered the fact that the Trans flag in no way symbolises any of that?

You objected to Feminists referring to atrocities. I responded to that.

But since you brought it up, while the Trans flag may not stand for atrocities (though some who stand behind it share horrific fantasies of how they would revenge themselves on those they dehumanise as TERFs) it does stand for an ideology that silences female people from naming the facts of their own oppression, their own reality, their own history, an ideology that seeks to strip us of the very rights and protections that empower us against that history of opporession. So for many women it is becoming a source of fear. The Trans is not female friendly. At all.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 21:30

Bugger...last sentence should read "the Trans flag is not female friendly"

I don't dehumanise Trans people.

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 21:41

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 21:29

You objected to Feminists referring to atrocities. I responded to that.

But since you brought it up, while the Trans flag may not stand for atrocities (though some who stand behind it share horrific fantasies of how they would revenge themselves on those they dehumanise as TERFs) it does stand for an ideology that silences female people from naming the facts of their own oppression, their own reality, their own history, an ideology that seeks to strip us of the very rights and protections that empower us against that history of opporession. So for many women it is becoming a source of fear. The Trans is not female friendly. At all.

Oh sorry, you haven’t read the thread. Silly me.

That bit you quoted from my post was a post in a conversation about how it is not a valid comparison to compare the trans flag to the confederate flag.

I didn’t “object to feminists referring to atrocities”, it was more nuanced than that.

I will now pause for you to read the entire thread and reconsider your reaction.

ReginaRegina · 08/08/2023 21:42

Have to agree she sounds like a piece of work tbh.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 21:50

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 21:41

Oh sorry, you haven’t read the thread. Silly me.

That bit you quoted from my post was a post in a conversation about how it is not a valid comparison to compare the trans flag to the confederate flag.

I didn’t “object to feminists referring to atrocities”, it was more nuanced than that.

I will now pause for you to read the entire thread and reconsider your reaction.

I read the thread. If your comment was specifically referring to comparisons to the Trans flag and not minimising the scale of atrocities committed against female people simply because they were female, a historic and ongoing reality that is so deeply ingrained that it's hardly ever even recognised as an atrocity, I apologise.

But I do not apologise for pointing out that this atrocity against female people bears just as much significance, as much human waste and tragedy, as the ones you did choose to call out.

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 22:01

“If your comment was specifically referring to comparisons to the Trans flag and not minimising the scale of atrocities committed against female people simply because they were female, a historic and ongoing reality that is so deeply ingrained that it's hardly ever even recognised as an atrocity, I apologise.”

It was specifically referring to the comparison of the trans flag to the confederate flag. Apology accepted.

DojaPhat · 08/08/2023 22:03

I'm quite shocked that someone in receipt of essentially life-saving care has the wherewithal to be so belligerent to the very people providing that care.

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 22:03

“But I do not apologise for pointing out that this atrocity against female people bears just as much significance, as much human waste and tragedy, as the ones you did choose to call out.”

Sorry come again? What atrocity against female people and which ones are you referring to that I did “choose to call out”? Can you be a bit more specific as to what exactly you are comparing?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 22:15

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 22:03

“But I do not apologise for pointing out that this atrocity against female people bears just as much significance, as much human waste and tragedy, as the ones you did choose to call out.”

Sorry come again? What atrocity against female people and which ones are you referring to that I did “choose to call out”? Can you be a bit more specific as to what exactly you are comparing?

which ones are you referring to that I did “choose to call out”?

Confederate states slavery and the Holocaust, in your post of 17:56

What atrocity against female people

The links I shared refered to the worldwide indicence of rape and to the "missing women" phenomenon of there being many fewer women worldwide than the natural balance. I could also have referred to FGM, or to sex trafficking. All atrocities where the victims are entirely or predominantly female.

To be clear, this is not to minimise or lessen the atrocities you highlighted. I simply think it's important to highlight the scale of what has been and still is done to women is comparable despite not typically being recognised as an atrocity in the same league.

DojaPhat · 08/08/2023 22:23

It really does come to something when a feminist wheels out issues concerning women predominantly in the global south in an apparent attempt to counter the very simple notion of why attempts to compare and contrast slavery or indeed racism is just patently meaningless. The formation of such neural pathways is as irritating as it is intriguing. Reminds me of their shtick vis a vis their 'fight' to bring equality and equity to women via access to work and the vote, all very "we're the daughters of the witches you couldn't burn."

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 22:26

Really? You don't think the oppression of women globally is connected? I think it's all connected, all linked by the reality of our female bodies and how those are constructed as lesser, as property.

DojaPhat · 08/08/2023 22:36

No. Indeed, any attempts to connect them is usually done by and large for very nefarious reasons.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/08/2023 22:40

DojaPhat · 08/08/2023 22:36

No. Indeed, any attempts to connect them is usually done by and large for very nefarious reasons.

If you are accusing me of having nefarious reasons, please say it clearly so I can either clarify a misunderstanding or refute a false assumption.

NewNameNigel · 08/08/2023 22:59

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 21:25

I am also a Black woman :)

I did wonder :-)

NewNameNigel · 08/08/2023 23:05

I could also have referred to FGM, or to sex trafficking. All atrocities where the victims are entirely or predominantly female.

Predominantly women of colour. I think it's important to acknowledge that race plays at part as well as sex.

GarlicGrace · 08/08/2023 23:08

"Effective immediately, you are discharged from receiving medical care at the Richmond Family Medicine Clinic. This action is being taken because of ongoing disrespectful and hurtful remarks about our LGBTQ community and staff," the message said.

I was willing to believe she was dropped for being generally rude & unco-operative, but that message is unequivocal.