This is just vile NHS again

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I'm hoping it'll be swiftly withdrawn but someone should be fired for this. Notice it's about making women comply.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12370811/NHS-managers-told-not-offer-sympathy-female-colleagues-worried-sharing-toilets-biological-men-woke-handbook.html

Ermm... I wouldn't feel safe sending an 8 y.o. alone.

Helen and Maya have both had their say in that article

That is sick. In the interests of "promoting, respecting and celebrating equality and diversity", they will shut down free speech, treat people with disrespect - including the sick people for whom they exist - discriminate severely against people of all faiths and none, and create a hierarchy of inequality.

"promoting, respecting and celebrating equality and diversity"

The parroting of this line as a brush off is really starting to give me the rage.

And endanger patients, visitors and staff.

I really wish this wasn't framed as a trans Vs GC women thing. It makes it sound like it is a batty fringe opinion that a woman wants a single sex space that can just be ignored, when it is actually the majority viewpoint.

Our ‘wonderful NHS the envy of the world’! Money for this evil bilge, but not treating patients😡

It's not equality if you treat one group of people (men) better than another group of people (women).

I agree.

Gender-critical author Helen Joyce added: 'This policy clearly unlawfully discriminates against Trust employees who hold gender-critical beliefs.'

Surely the main concern is that this policy discriminates against women who don't feel safe or comfortable in a mixed sex space.

The Equality Act does not require anyone to celebrate or even promote "diversity".

It requires employers and service providers not to unlawfully discriminate.

It also says service providers cannot cause their staff to discriminate, which this clearly would do.

It's wrong, wrong, wrong.

@OldCrone if you don’t feel safe or comfortable in a mixed sex space don’t you by definition have gender critical beliefs?

Thank you. You have expressed this so clearly.

Me too. There's nothing to celebrate when girls and women are being forced to be half undressed in a cubicle next to, or with the fear of being next to, a man.

No. Any woman or girl might feel unsafe or uncomfortable in a mixed sex space. Including, for example, women who are members of some religions which have strong rules about sex segregation, or any woman who has suffered a sexual assault.

OTOH some gender critical women might not be uncomfortable or feel unsafe in mixed sex spaces.

I don't think it necessarily follows. I suspect many women haven't thought about gender identity at all but would still be uncomfortable with men in women's spaces.

This is abusive, prejudiced and exclusionary, and enforcing the wishes of men over the rights and equality of women, while training staff that they are to disregard women's distress and issues, and ignore women's expression of distress and calls for help while pandering to men who want it all and don't care who they harm. Men knowingly using these spaces and doing this to women are being abusive.

And I am being required to fund this male supremacism, ableism, religious discrimination and abusing of women through my taxes. While being expected as a woman to suck up that I'm a lower sort of human who doesn't matter and whom it is right to abuse in the service of men while at the same time being required to lie that those men are something other than men.

Enough now. This cannot go on any longer.

Tax payer funded organisations have to stop permitting this lobby and their minions to write policies or advice that involves women in any way. It's like asking the KKK to write the BAME employees policy.

This. All this says is, ‘women are not part of the groups we consider to have equality or to be part of diversity.’

Start thinking about what words actually mean before you use them, you numpties.

I agree that women with gc beliefs are often happy to share spaces with men and obviously do so every day but I’m struggling to see how a woman could be unhappy to share a bathroom / changing room with men and yet not hold gc beliefs.

Whether it’s rooted in religious belief or anything else it all comes back to the fact that sex is immutable; you cannot change sex.

But it isn't just women who are affecting. They are only celebrating one type of diversity which is, obviously, not very diverse.

The men I know don't want to change in mix sex spaces, religious people of both sexes don't want to be in mixed sex spaces. I agree it shouldn't be shown as trans v GC women.

You’re in a private cubicle, why does it matter.

Right back at you.

Try working in the NHS with another protected characteristic (disability) - all the EDI events we get brought in to participate in ("lived experience" - boak) get completely rainbow washed by this stuff and you spend the day carefully policing your language and dodging subjects so you can't actually put across your own view. Would be career suicide to actually challenge it though - I just take solace in the confused whispers of "what the hell is a cis woman" from other delegates.

There are some women who won’t, for reasons of religion, use a shared bathroom. Where are the men of those religions, that should be standing up for the women ? Those women will now be more isolated by this.

And some women have the privilege of freedom to be able to pretend they perceive a man as a woman to protect the man's wishes and feelings, and other women for a wide range of reasons including belief, culture, disability, just do not have that option.

I don't agree women should be punished for not pretending in order to put the feelings of a man above themselves, but I especially don't believe women should be punished when choosing to pretend is not a luxury they are granted. Particularly when the words 'equality' and 'diversity' are being bandied about as if they mean something and matter.