This is just vile NHS again

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I'm hoping it'll be swiftly withdrawn but someone should be fired for this. Notice it's about making women comply.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12370811/NHS-managers-told-not-offer-sympathy-female-colleagues-worried-sharing-toilets-biological-men-woke-handbook.html

This.

The fact that an NHS trust deliberately allowed a transwoman onto a "female only ward" and he then went on to rape a highly vulnerable patient and the NHS COVERED THIS UP to protect HIM speaks volumes. And NO lessons "have been learned", they continue to allow this, and they don't give a shit about female safety, only male feelings.

I remember the case, when the brave woman finally managed to make her voice heard after something like a year.

Bad enough that the hospital enabled a crime like that. But covering it up and gaslighting the poor woman whose assault they enabled is beyond disgusting. No one was penalised, as far as I remember.

I’m just going to say it … I’ve stopped caring about anyone’s sexuality, who or what they identify as, etc, etc. I’ve got my fingers stuffed firmly in my ears and I shall keep them there until everyone shuts the eff up.

Oh, and men, aka small gamete producers, eff off out of women’s lavs.

Just thinking about how this meshes with head in the sand/cover up culture that is apparently rife in the NHS. I suppose specifically the woman who was raped by a tw, who was gaslit for a year that it could not have happened, there were no men in the ward.

Well done! You are speaking for many and I know it isn't easy 👏 I hope you are listened to and that speaking the truth doesn't negatively impact you.

Thank you! They asked for comments on a new policy and I just couldn't not speak.

I replied to their initial brush off letter but they haven't responded. They told me everyone on their focus group thought the language was OK- I said that suggests a lack of diversity in your focus group then!

No, that does not correlate. You could be neutral or believe in gender ideology and still feel unsafe in a mixed sex space. Women are conditioned to be wary of male-type bodies in spaces where they are alone. And this is perfectly understandable - and being trans has no effect upon male violence patterns.

But if you believe in gender ideology then you would be giving up women’s right to single sex spaces wouldn’t you?

I agree that being a trans woman has no impact on male violence patterns as they’re still a man. Hence why it’s important to keep them out of women only spaces.

Another article from the DM, about the rainbow badge award, 77 trusts have signed up. It is rather a rehash of previous articles but there a statement from a Professor Dalgleish at the end that give his perception of it all.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12451335/NHS-accused-trying-erase-women-trusts-Rainbow-Badge-scheme-hospitals.html

It's a bit frustrating because the MPs quoted, including the Health Secretary, are making all the right noises but seem to be achieving fuck all.

Look up on Twitter X a young UK disabled Woman called Henrietta Freeman.

She has a health condition that means she needs personal care.

She requested female support and has been harassed by Trans Activists on-line.

“Frieda” Wallace is one if these abusers. He is an NHS passenger ambulance driver, who is a Trans identifying male to female, and has been sending her pornographic photos of himself being fellated.

Frieda was at Manchester Pride today.

And for those people who argue for floor to ceiling cubicle doors, may I add to other arguments I've seen on here about why they aren't a good idea.

Something I noticed on the telly the other day: At Heathrow, the security staff/police searching for a suspicious item reported to have been left in the toilets were able to look under the cubicle doors.

I agree. But I suspect women who believe in gender ideology might feel pretty edgy in a situation where an obvious man but he's wearing a dress, comes into a public lavatory. They might hide it perhaps, but it will be there, because women are conditioned to feel edgy in such a situation.

Yes, women have evolved over thousands of years to be wary of men, a made up ideology isn’t going to change that.

Trans women are legally entitled In woman’s bathrooms. Joyce is wrong about the EA2010.

All public sector bodies, including the NHS, follow the law.

Managers do not have to sympathise with racists, homophobes or transphobes.

Religious and pseudo-religious beliefs do not undermine these rights. If your religion says you can’t share a bathroom with someone with another protected characteristic who is permitted to be there, then a reasonable accommodation can be made (you can use a single occupancy loo, for example.)

If anyone (regardless of gender) looks under a cubicle, exposes themselves, or harasses someone just going about their business, call security or the police.

Yes, you are a joke.

You are so fucking wrong! This is pure Stonewall law with absolutely no basis in the EqA.

A reasonable person would regard the act of labelling a toilet or changing facility as 'Women' or 'Men' or any variant of them is to declare that facility a single sex space under Schedule 3 Part 7 of the EqA. Paragraph 28 specifically extends the exception to deny access to anybody who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

Away to hell with your misrepresentation.

Trans women are legally entitled In woman’s bathrooms. Joyce is wrong about the EA2010.

@DadJoke Are you saying that you believe that any man who says he's a woman is legally entitled to use women's toilets? I assume that's what you mean by 'bathrooms'. Are you American? What makes you an expert in UK law?

Religious and pseudo-religious beliefs do not undermine these rights.

Your pseudo religious belief that any man who says he's a woman magically becomes a woman does not remove women's right to single sex spaces. And you cannot compel the rest of us to share your belief.

@DadJokeTrans women are legally entitled In woman’s bathrooms. Joyce is wrong about the EA2010.Both the Equality Act 2010 and the Gender Recognition Act set out situations where it is lawful to provide single-sex services and exclude people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. They include sleeping accommodation, toilets, sports;''Circumstances where a person of one sex might reasonably object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex.''28(1)A person does not contravene section 29, so far as relating to gender reassignment discrimination, only because of anything done in relation to a matter within sub-paragraph (2) if the conduct in question is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.(2) The matters are—(a) the provision of separate services for persons of each sex;(b) the provision of separate services differently for persons of each sex;(c) the provision of a service only to persons of one sex.https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3/paragraph/28

I don’t think ‘Joyce’ is ever wrong about anything. She is bright as hell, does thorough research and has equally bright people around her, including lawyers. She’s too smart to put out an argument or point that could be demolished or dismissed.

If a 'transphobe' is someone who will not unconditionally pretend that a male is a female at all times upto and including to their own detriment, exclusion and harm? For the male's benefit? Selflessly and somewhat masochistically, embracing someone else's enforced fiction over their own perceptions and obeying compelled speech and enactment of a belief they do not hold.

Yeah colour me one of those.

And yet despite my supposed wrongness about the EA2010, pretty much every single bathroom allows transgender women in women’s bathrooms and has done for decades without legal challenge, because it’s the law - it’s not a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Telling yourself that mate doesn’t make it true. See the posts above which reflect the actual reality not your wishful thinking.

I suggest your read up on your case law.
https://oldsquare.co.uk/hard-cases-make-useful-law-can-trans-people-lawfully-be-excluded-from-single-and-separate-sex-services-robin-white/