This is just vile NHS again

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I'm hoping it'll be swiftly withdrawn but someone should be fired for this. Notice it's about making women comply.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12370811/NHS-managers-told-not-offer-sympathy-female-colleagues-worried-sharing-toilets-biological-men-woke-handbook.html

Can you only add to posts, or respond to them at all if you think they are disagreeing with you?

Those 'rights' are no more established than women's rights, at present. what we currently have is practices which have so far been operating in a fug of assumption, uncertainty and lack of clarity.

Slightly off topic, but I'm sick to death of the way american voices have taken over Radio 4. I've just been listening to a 15 minute piece on 'sounds in the ocean'. Within a few minutes we were being told the ocean is a 'queer space'. 🙄

You need to work harder on your 'case law'. The link is to a summary of a case in an HR trade magazine and not the actual ruling. There is a little bit more to the case. The transgender employee brought a case of discrimination against an NHS trust. The trust had no desire to win the case and didn't challenge the judge's incorrect use of a woman as the comparator instead of another man.

Apologies! I thought you had misunderstood my point

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‘This was a communal changing room with a shower cubicle. It did not seem to the Tribunal likely that there would have been a concern about a cisgender woman in a state of undress while changing in such a changing room.

Of course there wouldn't have been concern about a woman being undressed. What was presumably of concern was that this particular 'transwoman' was exposing 'her penis'. Exposing a penis in a women's changing room would normally be considered to be flashing, or indecent exposure, which is illegal. But somehow, if the penis is attached to a male who declares that he's a 'transwoman' then this is no longer a crime. What is the difference between a penis belonging to any other man and a penis attached to a male who identifies as a 'transwoman'?

What is the difference between a penis belonging to any other man and a penis attached to a male who identifies as a 'transwoman'?

Oh, I know this one! <jumps up and down with hand up>

The mouthfeel of a transwoman's penis to a lesbian would be totally different to the 'mouth feel' of a male penis on a person currently identifying as a man. Hence why lesbians are scolded for saying they don't care how a penis feels, they don't do penises, and women are scolded for saying they don't care how a biological male feels between their ears at this point in time, they still do not want to deal with said male in a state of nudity or when they are undressed.

But I suppose this is only something you can process if you think women are actual people with whole internal lives of their own, as opposed to sub human service units whose lives revolve entirely around what the male in front of them directs them to see, think and feel.

In short: regardless of how often a male person states that through their beliefs they are women, you cannot compel other women to see and enable this, and wtf should they?

It's not like said male person plans to care how they feel or what they believe, is it?

The Black Belt Barrister on one of the DM articles linked upthread