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Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock

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ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 12:28

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/gender-criticism-versus-gender-abolition-on-three-recent-books-about-gender/

Lavery is very proud of this piece. I've got halfway through and am going to have to have a wee break and maybe a nap.

So far, I gather that Lavery knows far more than these women do about womanhood, because Lavery has read a lot of books.

Gender Criticism Versus Gender Abolition: On Three Recent Books About Gender

Grace Lavery reviews Julie Bindel’s “Feminism for Women: The Real Tribute to Liberation,” Helen Joyce’s “Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality,” and Kathleen Stock’s “Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism.”...

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/gender-criticism-versus-gender-abolition-on-three-recent-books-about-gender

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JoanOgden · 01/08/2023 20:48

I rather enjoyed this review; it introduced me to some feminist thinkers I wasn't previously aware of and it's well written and amusing.

Sadly however, it's also total nonsense and (as a previous poster commented) is brutal reflectio

JoanOgden · 01/08/2023 20:48

(Damn) a brutal reflection of the gulf between academia and real life

BettyFilous · 01/08/2023 21:06

The screenshot of the Woman’s Hour episode brought me up short. Someone thought it was OK to book Lavery for the same episode that they covered the Nottingham maternity scandal? JFC.

Rainbowshit · 01/08/2023 21:31

I don't think a man who defines women as in the attached picture has any right to lecture anyone on feminism. 🤮

Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock
WarriorN · 01/08/2023 21:31

Yes I was fuming about that at the time

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 21:33

I thought lavery had left twitter? Anyhow:

This essay was initially commissioned, and then rejected, by a British periodical; I published an earlier version of it on my own website. I’m grateful to the @LAReviewofBooks for publishing and editing it; the work is stronger for their effort.

Grin

twitter.com/graceelavery/status/1686002098922455040?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Datun · 01/08/2023 21:33

Rainbowshit · 01/08/2023 21:31

I don't think a man who defines women as in the attached picture has any right to lecture anyone on feminism. 🤮

That's trolling. But he does think it.

Nasty wanker.

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 21:35

Lavery has been completing ratioed by Rudy, from his thread about his reviews.

twitter.com/theneonrequiem/status/1686141106738630656?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 21:39

A retort to Rudy who pointed out that as a male, lavery has no right to lecture women on how to woman, has brought this nugget from Joyce :

Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock
ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 21:46

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 21:39

A retort to Rudy who pointed out that as a male, lavery has no right to lecture women on how to woman, has brought this nugget from Joyce :

He must know what he's talking about; he said 'literally' twice.

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ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 21:47

Rainbowshit · 01/08/2023 21:31

I don't think a man who defines women as in the attached picture has any right to lecture anyone on feminism. 🤮

What a daftie.

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JanesLittleGirl · 01/08/2023 21:49

One sick puppy.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/08/2023 22:00

ah Grace. Lumpen in both appearance and the prose he extrudes

he really could not have chosen a less apt name

Backstreets · 01/08/2023 22:20

He is such a scumbag, and obviously not fit to shine any of these great, precise thinkers’ shoes.

teawamutu · 01/08/2023 22:32

Purely for shits and giggles, one of my fave ever tweets. (The execrable smugtwat Laurie Penny is an ex of Lavery, just in case you didn't know.)

Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock
Rainbowshit · 01/08/2023 22:36

teawamutu · 01/08/2023 22:32

Purely for shits and giggles, one of my fave ever tweets. (The execrable smugtwat Laurie Penny is an ex of Lavery, just in case you didn't know.)

One of my faves too. 🤭

Meanacademic · 02/08/2023 06:03

It’s easy to make fun of Lavery but worthwhile remembering that this person is employed at a top US university and actually quite good at twisting and misrepresenting GC arguments in a way that at least some find convincing, especially in the US.

Some of the LARB essay is recycled from this piece: https://www.gracelavery.org/undermining-academic-freedom/

To my mind, one of Lavery’s most insidious arguments is that those who accurately point out a trans person’s sex are guilty of ‘sexual harrassment’. (Does this extend to everybody else? If not, why not?)

In a way, I’m fascinated by the sheer audacious dishonesty of Lavery’s writing. To take a 1940 statement of an American university professor organization, completely out of its historical context, and then lecture British GC academics on their supposed lack of understanding of academic freedom takes some chutzpah.

Grace Lavery - The Gender Critical Movement Is Undermining Academic Freedom

University College, London ∿ March 18, 2022

https://www.gracelavery.org/undermining-academic-freedom/

MidsomerMurmurs · 02/08/2023 07:15

NotTerfNorCis · 01/08/2023 13:17

Please Miss: A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Penis

Good grief. This person claims to be a serious academic?

This person identifies as a serious academic. As we know, that is not the same thing as being one.

PriOn1 · 02/08/2023 07:32

It’s easy to make fun of Lavery but worthwhile remembering that this person is employed at a top US university and actually quite good at twisting and misrepresenting GC arguments in a way that at least some find convincing, especially in the US.

This. I can’t laugh. How many women cannot get a publisher for their novel about what women’s lives are like in a mysogynistic world because “there isn’t enough romance in it”? I’m one and there will be many more.

Yet Lavery is employed and, even after writing an entirely penis and porn dominated book, is presumably getting another six figure sum for writing another.

Ironic that Lavery is envious of my tired female body, while enjoying the enormous privilege of the most privileged class there is.

Backstreets · 02/08/2023 07:58

nothingcomestonothing · 01/08/2023 19:49

And when Daniel was dealing with all of that unfolding in Daniel's family, and cut off from them, was the time Grace decided to open their relationship and take up with a girlfriend. One who, unlike Daniel, has not had an elective mastectomy. Grace really is quite a piece of work.

How’s that escape from male abuse and cruelty going, Daniel?

nothingcomestonothing · 02/08/2023 08:32

Backstreets · 02/08/2023 07:58

How’s that escape from male abuse and cruelty going, Daniel?

Quite. If I wasn't so lazy I'd trawl KF for the tweet Daniel made about 'as the man my role is to park my male privilege and listen and be supportive' while Grace and Grace's girlfriend hold court. The misogyny of Grace's version of being trans, and of Grace generally as far as I can see, is absolutely blatant.

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 08:36

I do believe Mx Lavatory just signed Zir’s name to the footnote of history.

Probably in bubbly script using one of those pink biros for ladies.

Helleofabore · 02/08/2023 08:37

teawamutu · 01/08/2023 22:32

Purely for shits and giggles, one of my fave ever tweets. (The execrable smugtwat Laurie Penny is an ex of Lavery, just in case you didn't know.)

that tweet was very cutting

Helleofabore · 02/08/2023 08:40

I believe all this re-entrance back onto Twitter is because of the new book. Desperate measures to attempt to be relevant and earn the publisher some of the advance back no doubt. After the flop of the penis …( book that is.)

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 08:46

I expect Grace is eyeing up Andrea Long Chu’s Pulitzer green with envy…