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Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock

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ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 12:28

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/gender-criticism-versus-gender-abolition-on-three-recent-books-about-gender/

Lavery is very proud of this piece. I've got halfway through and am going to have to have a wee break and maybe a nap.

So far, I gather that Lavery knows far more than these women do about womanhood, because Lavery has read a lot of books.

Gender Criticism Versus Gender Abolition: On Three Recent Books About Gender

Grace Lavery reviews Julie Bindel’s “Feminism for Women: The Real Tribute to Liberation,” Helen Joyce’s “Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality,” and Kathleen Stock’s “Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism.”...

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/gender-criticism-versus-gender-abolition-on-three-recent-books-about-gender

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KohlaParasaurus · 01/08/2023 14:22

Reminds me of adults being scathing about the Harry Potter novels, or blokes sneering at Women's Hour. Nobody cares what you think, for you are not the target demographic for this material.

Now, Grace, about this Be Kind business ...

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 14:38

Hopelesslydevotedtoshrews · 01/08/2023 13:04

This is really taking one for the team @ArabeIIaScott!

Rumous that I may have skimmed some sections of this review are not backed up by any evidence at all.

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ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 14:42

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/04/23/how-the-trans-ideology-dehumanises-women/

'I have never liked the term male privilege, but it’s hard to know what other term to use to describe a man writing a book about his ‘bellend’ – he uses that word – while fully expecting that everyone will acknowledge his ‘womanhood’ – he uses that word, too. His womanhood is his most ‘cherished’ thing, he says, which I found shocking because I had assumed it was his knob.'

O'Neill at his blistering best.

How the trans ideology dehumanises women

Grace Lavery’s bonkers book shows just how sexist trans thinking has become.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/04/23/how-the-trans-ideology-dehumanises-women

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/08/2023 14:51

RoyalCorgi · 01/08/2023 14:19

Don't know what the sales of Lavery's book are like, but the first few reviews don't seem very impressed. I have a feeling they might all be Mumsnetters.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Please-Miss-Heartbreaking-Staggering-Penis-ebook/dp/B09PRGDVK5/

The first reviewer is probably not a Mumsnetter because he starts by saying ‘I was looking forward to reading this’.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 14:51

Hey, there's even a bit about us in Lavery's book, wims. 😊

'Of course he has a pop at Mumsnet. The woke set’s loathing of Mumsnet is such a red flag. They just cannot believe that mothers and other ordinary women are allowed to associate freely and have critical conversations. Shouldn’t they be in the kitchen or chestfeeding their kids? Lavery goes on to say that there is ‘something stranger’ underneath ‘the whole phenomenon of British gender-criticals’ – he calls it ‘the problem [of] leaky boobs and the school run, the revenge of feminist grievance against feminist pleasure’. The ‘sourness’ of these harridans who dare to say men aren’t women represents a ‘loathing of the trans woman as a figure of pleasure embodied’, he says. Then, instantly, he goes into a cultural riff on Mars Attacks, in which he discusses the ‘femmebot’ in that movie, whose ‘tits are ballistic weapons’ and who ‘refuses to share in the refractory period of post-historical coldness’. And there you have it, in black and white – the trans woman as the fabulously titted pleasure machine and the real woman, the bitches who skulk on Mumsnet, as coldness personified.

This is misogyny. On every level – from its implication that ‘trans women’ understand female pleasure better than those real women, who are gender-critical and ‘sour’, to its seeming contrast between the leaky boobs of feeding mothers and the ballistic tits of camp heroines. Cold, sour, saggy tits – it’s like listening to Bernard Manning. That use of the phrase ‘leaky boobs’ cuts to the rotten heart of trans extremism, where there is a deep envy of womanhood. Lavery knows that his ‘breasts’, bestowed on him by ‘titty skittles’, will never leak (though he might get a bit of moob sweat, as blokes do). And so he seems to lash out against women whose breasts do ‘leak’ – ie, whose breasts are real. He even seems to envy the sexism women experience. Lavery has said that ‘there is something about being treated like shit by men that feels like affirmation itself… to be the victim of honest, undisguised sexism possesses an exhilarating vitality.'

Hi, Grace! Hiya! <waves from the kitchen where I am nursing my grievances>

Biological male author who takes hormones believes it’s misogynist to equate women with female bodies

Grace Lavery believes women are “a political category,” and not identifiable by their bodies, and that the political category of woman has a “meaning” that “can change over time.”

https://thepostmillennial.com/biological-male-author-who-takes-hormones-believes-its-misogynist-to-equate-women-with-female-bodies

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Datun · 01/08/2023 14:58

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 14:42

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/04/23/how-the-trans-ideology-dehumanises-women/

'I have never liked the term male privilege, but it’s hard to know what other term to use to describe a man writing a book about his ‘bellend’ – he uses that word – while fully expecting that everyone will acknowledge his ‘womanhood’ – he uses that word, too. His womanhood is his most ‘cherished’ thing, he says, which I found shocking because I had assumed it was his knob.'

O'Neill at his blistering best.

That was a brilliant review. Scathing, contemptuous and entertaining.

It goes on and on about boners and ballsacks and the ‘Lacanian phallus’ – imagine Jay from The Inbetweeners getting a PhD in Queer Studies

Even my use of the male pronoun in this review will be considered by some a heinous act of anti-trans bigotry, but if you think I am going to say ‘she’ and ‘her’ about someone who describes getting a hard-on while watching Riverdale and who goes to a sperm bank to ‘make a deposit of liquid silk’ (Jay!), then you are off your rocker.

He hates women. Especially clever ones. And don't even get him started on mumsnetters. He's consumed with jealousy.

Penis wanker.

turbonerd · 01/08/2023 15:02

It seems to me that this Operation Let Them Speak is going swimmingly.

I wont read more than your summary OP, because last time I laid eyes on a text by Lavery I died a little inside from the sheer awfulness.

How is Lavery considered an academic? HOW?

Datun · 01/08/2023 15:05

turbonerd · 01/08/2023 15:02

It seems to me that this Operation Let Them Speak is going swimmingly.

I wont read more than your summary OP, because last time I laid eyes on a text by Lavery I died a little inside from the sheer awfulness.

How is Lavery considered an academic? HOW?

Yes I don't suppose there are many people like him.

His humanity seems to have been expunged.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:06

I'm sure he is very clever. Some of his earlier work from when he was still a man was thoughtful and interesting, if a little bit self satisified.

I think the problem is confusing academic thought exercises with women's real life day to day experiences.

We are the ones getting raped, getting pregnant, getting childbirth injuries; largely we are the ones giving up years of work to raise our children, and this is why we need our stuff. That's all.

It's not personal, you know. I don't really care what mental wankery Grace wants to indulge in, or his sexual fantasies, or his mother issues. I just want to pee without some over bearing bloke huffing and puffing his way through seedy, performative porn addled bullshit in the same room.

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ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:07

Anyway, Lavery has a new book out and I really hope Women's Hour get him on again and he gets lots of interviews.

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Datun · 01/08/2023 15:08

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:07

Anyway, Lavery has a new book out and I really hope Women's Hour get him on again and he gets lots of interviews.

Yes, I hope Helen Joyce challenges him to a meeting again too.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:10

Yes! Maybe he could organise it this time, as his dog-eating-homework excuse last time was something to do with not liking the organiser, iirc.

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DarkDayforMN · 01/08/2023 15:11

Is anyone still falling for this “it doesn’t make obvious sense so maybe it’s really clever” type of article?

Lavery’s built xis career on that. Note xis obvious resentment when xe references The Emperor’s New Clothes. I think it’s passé now, though perhaps not in the New York Review of Books. But I think even young elite left-wing bullshit-susceptible types no longer feel clever when they fall for this kind of bullshit. There are too many commoners watching them and laughing at their stupidity. I predict that the future holds less of this nonsense.

Waitwhat23 · 01/08/2023 15:17

Saw this earlier. Says it all really.

Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock
turbonerd · 01/08/2023 15:25

Lavery vs Joyce, please.
I’d pay to watch it.

Forwarder · 01/08/2023 15:32

He is working hard to paint Helen Joyce as an anti semite.

Forwarder · 01/08/2023 15:38

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:07

Anyway, Lavery has a new book out and I really hope Women's Hour get him on again and he gets lots of interviews.

For real, Woman's Hour has had him on while furiously blanking the women losing their jobs for saying sex is real?

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WarriorN · 01/08/2023 15:42

vapid polemics.... cri de coeur...

Rather a lot of willy wanging there.

Full disclosure: I withdrew from a scheduled public debate with Helen Joyce after I learned that the host she had chosen for the event had published articles I considered antisemitic

Chinny reckon.

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WarriorN · 01/08/2023 15:44

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:07

Anyway, Lavery has a new book out and I really hope Women's Hour get him on again and he gets lots of interviews.

Yes me too!

When Emma is back from maternity leave after having a little girl.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:45
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WarriorN · 01/08/2023 15:46

<snort>

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crumpet · 01/08/2023 15:48

Did Grace write the blurb for this book?

Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock
WarriorN · 01/08/2023 15:48

If anyone wants to listen again!

Filters weren't available for this shot so sultry polo neck pull up was preferred.

Grace Lavery reviews Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, and Kathleen Stock