Death threats against women's officer at Aberystwyth Students' Union

[fromorbit]

Seems a massive scandal has been going on Aberystwyth. It seems that the Women's Officer was targeted by the local Pride group and received death threats and was forced out.
https://twitter.com/LloydCymru/status/1685575966331154433

Judging from Charlotte's twitter feed she doesn't even seem to be that gender critical. She just seems like a lefty women who knows her own mind.

The University sector in Wales is full of attacks on free speech. The Feminist society at Swansea University was closed down and there was a large protest at Swansea University over a Gender Critical meeting.

Cardiff University academics were targeted over free thinking more threats of violence:
https://freespeechunion.org/letter-to-jeremy-miles-ms-minister-for-education-and-welsh-language-concerning-a-campaign-of-violent-threats-and-harassment-against-several-of-our-members-who-are-all-academics-at-cardiff-universit/

If past events are anything to go by this may be ignored and swept under the carpet. The media seldom mention things in Wales. Obviously the Senedd don't care. However the clock is ticking, people are organising, reality inevitably bites.

Do you consider it something that needs police involvement?

Was the original written apology that the university asked for not enough?

What do you consider to be appropriate punishment for such a message?

Thingybob

I don't think your amateur detective assumptions are particularly helpful. I'm unsure why you are so determined to deny Charlotte's account in which she specifically mentions threats of actual violence. You don't know the details, as you admit. This is FWR, the feminist board, and we generally believe women when they report sexual harassment and threats from men.

What about the stab threat and the suggestion that she be burnt at the stake (both mentioned in the statement)? Were these made by the same person or someone else?

Fancylike

1. this entire thread is not about you

Never said it was - and I was answering a post from 'superfood'
Like i said before - I think its rude, if someone asks me a question, to just ignore them.

I don't know as she hasn't provided any more details.

My point is from what she has provided there does not seem to be an awful lot of substance so unless Charlotte comes along to tell us more then maybe we should just drop it?

YetAnotherSpartacus
And tell me again how throwing a paper plane is the same as a rape/death threat.

Its to show that it covers a wide variety of crimes - such as assaults, mal comms, threats etc etc. And how/why educational institutions deal with them in-house as opposed to getting the police involved.

I have not said its the same offence.

My point is from what she has provided there does not seem to be an awful lot of substance so unless Charlotte comes along to tell us more then maybe we should just drop it?

charlotte seems to be wrong if she does name specifics and if she does not.

she must be a woman!

My point is from what she has provided there does not seem to be an awful lot of substance so unless Charlotte comes along to tell us more then maybe we should just drop it?

As OldCrone pointed out, which you missed, the statement references specific types of violent threats. She may not want to make these public. I don't think she's under any obligation to provide you with all the screenshots.

I agree Ereshkigalangcleg but why are we condemning SU members, the police and the university without anything more than vague accusations.

Surely this is why the police and university should be investigating properly.

I agree Ereshkigalangcleg but why are we condemning SU members, the police and the university without anything more than vague accusations.

Because it's happened to other women, that's enough of a pattern for me to believe her. The statement doesn't name anyone specifically.

Has she requested the police investigate it separately to the university?

Read her statement.

I think that's fair enough @Ereshkigalangcleg

Patterns patterns everywhere.

At its most generous good faith interpretation, that is at minimum sexual harassment. I feel a lot more sorry for the woman on the receiving end than I do the man who perpetrated it.
And this is the issue. Women get harassed and when they complain, they're painted as being unpleasant because 'poor guy he didn't mean it like that'.

The statement is from the Twitter page of the accused.

Yes, so you don't know whether that's actually what Charlotte was talking about when she said that she received an implied rape threat that meant she had to move out of her flat. And it may not have just been the tweeted words, but his behaviour as well. There could have been a number of reasons she perceived a given message as a threat.

Can you post a link to those tweets?

Can you post a link to those tweets?

Just look on the twitter pages of Charlotte and her boyfriend.

Sorry I don't want to be involved in putting anyone's name on here. I already stated that at least one of the people involved in the allegations is on the autistic spectrum and I wouldn't be surprised if they all either autistic or vulnerable in their own way.

I think I've spent too many decades around autistic teens and adults and know how often they misread or misunderstand a situation which leads to inappropriate comments or behaviour. They are then often mortified when they find out the effect that their behaviour has had on another person. So when I see it happening either in real life or online I can't help but jump in to defend that person.

In my opinion part of the problem is the recent trend amongst political parties, lobby groups and organizations like SUs elevating vulnerable people into position of power that they can't cope with. But that's another discussion.

Much of the discussion here seems to ignore the circumstances described in the initial statement including the comments on the discord server, the fake Twitter account set up and the concerted campaign to get rid of her.

as usual it’s about the wily woman and the poor misunderstood man.

OK, I think I've got it. We don't have all the facts but the woman was in the wrong. Obviously.

We are not living in Barbieworld. All woman put up with sexist nonsense at some point. We know that any woman that takes a political position has to deal with a tidal wave of misogyny. Charlotte's terrible offence was WINNING an election and it seems also being under suspicion of knowing what women is in an university.

We are dealing with Aberystwyth Students' Union, a sexist institution which ran a dodgy campaign in late 2022:

‘SHAG week’: Raunchy Aberystwyth University campus events arouse female students’ concerns
https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/shag-week-raunchy-aberystwyth-university-campus-events-arouse-female-students-concerns-572846?fbclid=IwAR030YfvIo1NB-LiSHnlcskU_ntw2jQsWi_P18Q6FcjMMYwy_BQP6JHz1Bc

Aberystwyth Students' Union 'SHAG Campaign'
https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2022/11/30/aberystwyth-students-union-shag-campaign

It is quite possible that the controversy over Charlotte's election was part of the fallout from this.

The person Charlotte defeated was in the election was a (she/her, they/them) so I guess some form of nonbinary, obviously the Pride candidate. No idea of the actual sex involved. Sounds like the students preferred an obvious woman as woman's officer, noticeably Charlotte didn't publish her pronouns many others in the election did. Charlotte apparently won overwhelmingly.

Student politics has always been quietly vicious, but in the 21st century it is rising into new forms.

The reason we are taking this seriously is Charlotte had to quit the job she was elected to because of harassment. Those are the facts. It is possible of course she was being a silly hysterical woman and making up a bunch of harassment because she couldn't handle things. Or far more likely, a young woman suddenly found herself the target of an internet witch hunt over unspecified sexist allegations, and finally was pushed out. Nothing can prepare you for being the target of an online mob threatening you. Possibly she was targeted because some in the Union were worried she might focus on safeguarding freshers over encouraging random sex.

As for sexual harassment guy, only one of people causing trouble, the same guy said inappropriate stuff before, it wasn't a one off. He sent her message below as well. Attached Charlotte's response to his statement. He seems like a creep, there are a lot of them around.

It seems Charlotte is taking an active role in Labour and spoke at the Welsh Labour conference. Wales and the party need women like her.
https://twitter.com/CharlotteCymru/status/1654218485268992001

Thanks @fromorbit

Ive seen claims from a person who appears to know the situation that it was the heinous crime of liking some wrongthink tweets and making some wrongthink comments about international women's day including people who aren't women "by any definition" (so I'm assuming she means non binaries), as well as disparaging comments about blue haired grifters in the LGBTsoc.

Just look on the twitter pages of Charlotte and her boyfriend.

I'm not on twitter, so I can only see a randomly arranged selection of tweets (not in date order) and I can't see any replies to them.

So if you can post a link to the offending tweets that would help.

These tweets relate to a separate incident of inappropriate messages sent to Charlotte by a now Aberystwyth Town Councillor when she had just turned 18. The statement on his Twitter page relates to this behaviour and is not in response to the statement issued by Charlotte and Lloyd yesterday. There is no suggestion that this same person has been involved in the issues with the Student's Union.

Charlotte's 'crime' has been being a young woman unafraid to stand up for women's rights which the 'be kind brigade' see as being anti-trans. She was democratically elected to her role and the SU has been severely lacking in backbone in failing to support her and calling out the abuse she has been subjected to.