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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baroness Nicholson: ‘This movement isn’t for trans people – it is for liars who don’t need science’

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IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:56

In the face of a torrent of abuse, she has stood by her belief that it is not possible to change biological sex. She has sent endless letters to ministers raising concerns, and spoken long into the night in House of Lords debates calling for the protection of <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/kMrjS/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/10/nurses-sacked-speaking-transgender-patients-single-sex-wards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">single-sex hospital wards, toilets and changing rooms.

She has put pressure on ministers to produce the much-delayed <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/kMrjS/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/14/trans-guidance-urge-schools-help-parents-protect-children/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trans guidance for schools and warned the education secretary that teachers should not be “telling schoolchildren that a bearded man with a penis can be a lesbian”.

Whilst the campaign by trans activists that has followed is like water off a duck’s back for a “tough cookie” like her, she worries about the impact that such action is having on others and on debate in public life.

“It is terrifying. So many parents, doctors, nurses, so many people, have been overwhelmed by this sewage, this tide of rubbish which is choking freedom of speech and freedom of thought. It is choking normal people’s lives and incapacitating them, preventing them from speaking out,” she says.

“You have young people going to universities who have no opinions because they are too afraid to offend, but that is because you have this bizarre situation where there are organisations waiting to be offended.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/30/baroness-nicholson-this-move
also on archive.ph

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Pixiedust1234 · 30/07/2023 20:00

404 error, maybe I'm doing it wrong.

She's a very strong and brave woman.

Babdoc · 30/07/2023 20:00

OP, those links just say “page not found”.

RealityFan · 30/07/2023 20:04

Wow, just wow. She's saying it as it is. And I thought Helen Joyce and Sharon Davies were straight shooters, lol.

ResisterRex · 30/07/2023 20:06

Accessible at link here

https://twitter.com/cbartle/status/1685555736020164608?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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BasiliskStare · 30/07/2023 20:10

👏Baroness Nicholson

SunnyEgg · 30/07/2023 20:14

Some really brilliant women standing up to all this

DOBARDAN · 30/07/2023 20:18

Thank you Baroness Nicholson, you are one straight talking woman, thank you for not wavering or letting your voice be silenced

Glamourreader · 30/07/2023 20:21

I thank God for courageous women like her

Fenlandia · 30/07/2023 20:32

This quote, whoa nelly!

“There is no way that I could persuade myself that those who declared that sex was assigned at birth were a minority that were worth protecting – they were merely a minority who had got it wrong. It is incomprehensible that such people were in a position of authority, clearly their ideas were untruthful.”

RealityFan · 30/07/2023 20:33

All politicians now need to have their trans policy and definitions compared to her statement. The Baroness is the new standard of sanity.

Mostly, I'm hoping the sluice gates will open, and more and more public figures will speak up.in their own way, unimpeded.

Andrew Neil needs to interview her, pronto.

SunnyEgg · 30/07/2023 20:39

Fenlandia · 30/07/2023 20:32

This quote, whoa nelly!

“There is no way that I could persuade myself that those who declared that sex was assigned at birth were a minority that were worth protecting – they were merely a minority who had got it wrong. It is incomprehensible that such people were in a position of authority, clearly their ideas were untruthful.”

Amazing.

blueshoes · 30/07/2023 20:39

OP, thank you for drawing attention to the tireless work by Baroness Nicholson and her indomitable courage and strength of conviction.

I applaud her. She is speaking up where others fear to thread.

She is now my personal hero.

nettie434 · 30/07/2023 20:41

ResisterRex · 30/07/2023 20:06

Thanks for that link ResisterRex. Baroness Nicholson is a courageous woman and I thought the journalist did well at giving a portrait of her as a person and summarising why she has become so controversial.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/07/2023 20:47

It's also at archive.ph. I enjoyed reading that. Like JKR, I think her field of fucks is barren. Particularly liked this bit

“It is terrifying. So many parents, doctors, nurses, so many people, have been overwhelmed by this sewage, this tide of rubbish which is choking freedom of speech and freedom of thought. It is choking normal people’s lives and incapacitating them, preventing them from speaking out,” she says.

Pixiedust1234 · 30/07/2023 20:57

Thank you for the new links!

That was a long piece but my goodness it's very clear.

“What I want is an investigation into how parliament was overruled by a small cluster of people in the NHS,” she says. “How did they manage with their bizarre belief systems to act directly against an Act of Parliament? That is my underlying concern.”
In a vow that is likely to anger her opponents, she adds: “I am not letting it drop until that comes out.”
YES!!!

334bu · 30/07/2023 20:59

Thank you for the link ResisterRex. Great article.

RealityFan · 30/07/2023 21:00

Pixiedust1234 · 30/07/2023 20:57

Thank you for the new links!

That was a long piece but my goodness it's very clear.

“What I want is an investigation into how parliament was overruled by a small cluster of people in the NHS,” she says. “How did they manage with their bizarre belief systems to act directly against an Act of Parliament? That is my underlying concern.”
In a vow that is likely to anger her opponents, she adds: “I am not letting it drop until that comes out.”
YES!!!

She's lived a life. She's ensuring she lives another one. Puts our current crop of politicians to shame.

WickedSerious · 30/07/2023 21:04

Pixiedust1234 · 30/07/2023 20:57

Thank you for the new links!

That was a long piece but my goodness it's very clear.

“What I want is an investigation into how parliament was overruled by a small cluster of people in the NHS,” she says. “How did they manage with their bizarre belief systems to act directly against an Act of Parliament? That is my underlying concern.”
In a vow that is likely to anger her opponents, she adds: “I am not letting it drop until that comes out.”
YES!!!

Afuckingmen to this.

FrancescaContini · 30/07/2023 21:09

“This sewage, this tide of rubbish…bizarre belief systems…” - I applaud the way she talks about gender ideology.

Thanks for sharing this article.

Musomama1 · 30/07/2023 21:20

I'm in awe of her - what you might call - truth bombs. Absolutely seismic. We are so so lucky to have such wonderful women in this country.

Parsleymint · 30/07/2023 21:24

I read that earlier. Apparently she joined Twitter a few years ago to have a voice on this topic. I went straight on and followed her.

RealityFan · 30/07/2023 21:29

I guarantee you none of the usual suspects will discuss this piece or even acknowledge her. You know, those commentators who pride themselves on a fearless pursuit of truth and wisdom.

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