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Baroness Nicholson: ‘This movement isn’t for trans people – it is for liars who don’t need science’

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IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:56

In the face of a torrent of abuse, she has stood by her belief that it is not possible to change biological sex. She has sent endless letters to ministers raising concerns, and spoken long into the night in House of Lords debates calling for the protection of <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/kMrjS/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/10/nurses-sacked-speaking-transgender-patients-single-sex-wards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">single-sex hospital wards, toilets and changing rooms.

She has put pressure on ministers to produce the much-delayed <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/kMrjS/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/14/trans-guidance-urge-schools-help-parents-protect-children/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trans guidance for schools and warned the education secretary that teachers should not be “telling schoolchildren that a bearded man with a penis can be a lesbian”.

Whilst the campaign by trans activists that has followed is like water off a duck’s back for a “tough cookie” like her, she worries about the impact that such action is having on others and on debate in public life.

“It is terrifying. So many parents, doctors, nurses, so many people, have been overwhelmed by this sewage, this tide of rubbish which is choking freedom of speech and freedom of thought. It is choking normal people’s lives and incapacitating them, preventing them from speaking out,” she says.

“You have young people going to universities who have no opinions because they are too afraid to offend, but that is because you have this bizarre situation where there are organisations waiting to be offended.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/30/baroness-nicholson-this-move
also on archive.ph

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MavisMcMinty · 30/07/2023 21:31

If I’d moved here 2 years before I did, she’d’ve been my MP for a few months.

Now I share Geoffrey Cox with the British Virgin Islands. Lucky, lucky, lucky.

Ohyousillydivvy · 30/07/2023 21:38

Thank you Baronness Nicholson, finally albeit slowly the tide is turning. People are waking up and questioning this dangerous fiction that has gripped the planet.

blueshoes · 30/07/2023 21:43

Ohyousillydivvy · 30/07/2023 21:38

Thank you Baronness Nicholson, finally albeit slowly the tide is turning. People are waking up and questioning this dangerous fiction that has gripped the planet.

Yes, we need 50% of the population to wake up. Women can throw any party out of Whitehall for supporting the insiduous toxic trans agenda.

I know what I will be watching in the next election.

SunnyEgg · 30/07/2023 21:45

There are some great Baronesses out there

Do they just lose that title and role if the HoL goes? We’ll miss some direct and plain speaking women.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/07/2023 21:52

Good on her. I think she's great.

Tallisker · 30/07/2023 22:34

I signed up to her webinars when she was investigating all this. They were excellent. She invited all sorts of people to speak, Glinner was a regular. I can't remember everyone now (meno brain) but it was a terrific series. At the time The Times comments were readable by everyone and there was a sane voice whose name I can't remember who explained over and over again why this ideology was problematic. She showed up in the comments along with other names that are now quite famous in this fight.

How things have changed. The whole ideology is being dragged kicking and screaming into the sunlight but let us never forget how dangerous it was to be on the gender critical side a few short years ago.

RealityFan · 30/07/2023 22:37

Tallisker · 30/07/2023 22:34

I signed up to her webinars when she was investigating all this. They were excellent. She invited all sorts of people to speak, Glinner was a regular. I can't remember everyone now (meno brain) but it was a terrific series. At the time The Times comments were readable by everyone and there was a sane voice whose name I can't remember who explained over and over again why this ideology was problematic. She showed up in the comments along with other names that are now quite famous in this fight.

How things have changed. The whole ideology is being dragged kicking and screaming into the sunlight but let us never forget how dangerous it was to be on the gender critical side a few short years ago.

A few short years ago. The tide has only really started to turn in the last 5 mins. Let's see if momentum mounts. Who's next to speak up?

ResisterRex · 30/07/2023 22:39

She's not alone but she certainly shows the value of an unelected chamber, unfussed by the pressures of being popular or the whims of the Zeitgeist.

There's a vote here as to whether the Lords should be abolished. I used to think so but this issue has changed my mind. It's got to be why we haven't gone Full Canada:

Readers’ poll: Should the House of Lords be abolished?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5363c620-2d36-11ee-af56-249c74e4b179?shareToken=c5a07d3e63c2a2e7405f0b9ed8de985e

OzziePopPop · 30/07/2023 22:41

An amazing woman. Thank you Baroness Nicholson!

Tallisker · 30/07/2023 22:44

I think the excesses of the SNP in Holyrood could/should have been reined in by an upper chamber or whatever it's called. An equivalent to the HoL

MavisMcMinty · 30/07/2023 23:07

I’d like to see the Lords reformed but not abolished. They have on occasion been the only bastion between us and the loonier political bills, particularly when the government has a large unbeatable majority in the Commons. The British are not good at electing politicians and they’d be no better at electing people to the upper chamber. It’d be full of malignant populists like Nigel Farage

PomegranateOfPersephone · 30/07/2023 23:14

ResisterRex · 30/07/2023 22:39

She's not alone but she certainly shows the value of an unelected chamber, unfussed by the pressures of being popular or the whims of the Zeitgeist.

There's a vote here as to whether the Lords should be abolished. I used to think so but this issue has changed my mind. It's got to be why we haven't gone Full Canada:

Readers’ poll: Should the House of Lords be abolished?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5363c620-2d36-11ee-af56-249c74e4b179?shareToken=c5a07d3e63c2a2e7405f0b9ed8de985e

Thank you for the link, I voted. Only 34% want to keep the HoL at the moment. 😔

ScribblingPixie · 30/07/2023 23:15

I was disappointed no comments were allowed underneath. Huge praise deserved!

GoatsareGOAT · 30/07/2023 23:33

She's an absolute warrior

"... I couldn’t care a score what they think of me. These are not people whose judgment I have any time for, they do not affect me in any sense at all..."
💪💪💪💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻💪💪💪

I was never a fan of the HoL but we desperately need to keep a second chamber many of the (many) messes caused by the SNP at Holyrood would surely have been prevented if we had a second chamber here.

IwantToRetire · 31/07/2023 00:13

OP, thank you for drawing attention to the tireless work by Baroness Nicholson and her indomitable courage and strength of conviction.

If only I could make more aware of her work, but am very conscious that we are all having to rely on the right wing press to make public the work of brave women like her.

If only newspapers were newspapers, and were all reporting what is going on.

So having found the article by chance of course I wanted to share.

But look forward to the day when she is invited onto Newsnight, or Sky news, or somewhere there is a big audience.

She seems to have done so much in her life, and not lost sight of the ordinary people, in this case women, who are on the front line of suffering.

And as if that weren't wonderful enough, achieves all this whils living with disabilities.

(Must admit I didn't know about her different political party involvements, but for me it makes her seem more genuine. Acting on her beliefs.)

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Rudderneck · 31/07/2023 00:32

MavisMcMinty · 30/07/2023 23:07

I’d like to see the Lords reformed but not abolished. They have on occasion been the only bastion between us and the loonier political bills, particularly when the government has a large unbeatable majority in the Commons. The British are not good at electing politicians and they’d be no better at electing people to the upper chamber. It’d be full of malignant populists like Nigel Farage

I don't think that's a British thing. It's the nature of public elections.

MavisMcMinty · 31/07/2023 00:39

Rudderneck · 31/07/2023 00:32

I don't think that's a British thing. It's the nature of public elections.

Yes, maybe, I only really know about UK and US politics. Trump trouncing every other Republican candidate is a case in point. The relief I felt in January 2021 when Trump was ousted from office, and now it looks like the whole world may have to suffer him again!

SunnyEgg · 31/07/2023 08:15

The abolition of HoL is a superficial proposal to appeal to type.

But it’s a bit careful what you wish for

In the end it’s likely to benefit the right and extreme

ResisterRex · 31/07/2023 08:51

The Times has gone a bit weak at the knees for Labour lately. And they want to muck about with the Lords. Being as it is - "the paper of record - I'm a bit wary about this poll and what it's for.

Problems though there are with the Lords, I don't look round the world and see better options.

Baby/bathwater, devil you know etc etc

Froodwithatowel · 31/07/2023 09:23

Bravo the Baroness. She is absolutely right: one of my own biggest peaks was seeing how this lobby, shrieking about how they love trans people, treats trans people who dare to disagree, go off message, share life experience or opinions that are not fully conformed to The Cause, or de transition. I've seen a trans person attacked here on a MN thread by an activist, and if you thought women were treated badly, it is nothing to the venom and rage turned on a trans person who is not being useful. 'Uncle Tom' was one of the mild insults thrown to put them back in their box.

I also have to smile at her bafflement of naive, innocent and ivory towered middle class management in their little middle class bubble parroting their lines nicely about 'most oppressed evah' to someone who has actually seen the world and been directly involved in atrocities that they could not imagine and certainly had never troubled to inform themselves about. (Probably because there weren't any nice training days with lunch, badges and a nice scheme to sign up to.)

This is a gravy train for those with a multitude of agendas, and many of those agendas need investigating urgently and in great depth.

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