What exactly has Andrew Neil done?

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AN is acting churlish because women are not falling over themselves in gratitude for his support for women's rights in the face of gender self id.

Can someone tell me exactly what he's done bar send out a few tweets? Which are of course most welcome. But he's not exactly in Maya/Allison/Jo/Rosie/JK/Raquel/LGB Alliance territory, is he?

No, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's entering a debate on the ground floor, the basement actually, when we're all up on the roof terrace.

It's frustrating. But the interesting part is how it's an example of what many people think. That this can't be happening. Because doctors. Because too many doctors. Because parents. And the NHS.

They know best.

Fortunately, there are some incredibly articulate and informative women who can, very succinctly, explain why, no, they bloody don't.

I console myself with the thought that however frustrating it is to see this ignorance, it's the beginning, of the journey to, let's call it, enlightenment.

It's misogyny in it?

AN - Silly, hysterical women complaining about wanting single sex spaces. Oh hang on a minute, you mean people are being physically harmed by this stuff? Why didn't anyone say?

WS - silly, hysterical bigoted women should just be kind. Oh hang on a minute, you mean this might not be a vote winner, well I suppose they might have a point...

But baby steps are better than no steps. And the late majority on the bell curve are crucial. So welcome. Belatedly. Now could you start listening to women?

I'm heartened today that Times Radio celebrated JKR's birth in the on this day in history. Happy Birthday to her.

It's a good thing and I think I was told on here that the Labour Party would never change its position. Well they have, and are well on the way to doing absolutely nothing. Self ID is dead in England. Scotland depends on the SNP and their desperate action against the UK government which will fail too.

Andrew Neill getting stuck in is good. He does his homework, unlike some.

Btw I also note that the party really responsible for this mess, ie the Conservatives, have done nothing but draft some unlawful guidance, which, if it had gone ahead, would have been judicially reviewed and made matters far worse for those who oppose self ID.

Enjoying the lack of "blah what is a woman" and more "what is politics". This is what it looks like.

Who is Jim? I saw all that and answered a bit . Now that anyone can pay for a blue tick and as I don't recognise him I wasn't sure if his views particularly mattered

(His bio left me none the wiser)

He was a respondent Andrew Neil's twitter account - trying to put him right, but not actually having a clue what he was talking about.

But his non views are typical and representative of the average person, i'd say.

Self-ID might not be dead. Dodds wants to change the panel requirements to one Dr. Well, how is that person qualified and who will oversee it? We all know there are ways to circumvent such a system - if you can call that a system.

A Dr as in any local GP?

On what basis is that a system that counts

A male turns up in a skirt and then what?

Well if that one doctor is Webberly then that’s her pension all sorted.

Yes agree

Bit ridiculous that women need 2 Dr's to approve their abortion but men can transition with just 1 - and even that is going to be a step too far for TRAs

The problem for me is that I can't tell yet whether Self ID is dead or whether it's been given a rebrand.

Exactly. She'll be retired in under a year. Plus, can you imagine how many more Webbley's will be spring up?

It’s any GP isn’t it?

@ResisterRex - while you are right I can see the political "journey" which is to back out of this asap.

Dodds needs to say something. She would not necessarily even be in charge of this area if elected, nor can she guarantee that she can enact it. The proposal smells of political mothballs.

It is. But I wonder how many would be willing to hand out diagnoses like Smarties.

No. We need the media to be impartial. And in the present climate that would look like defending women’s rights, because up till now most news sources have supported the trans movement. Look at the BBC and Guardian over the past few years. A cowardly disgrace.

Most of the left/liberal press has dumped women. I’m not going to refuse support on this issue from people I otherwise disagree with.

I don’t think they’ll have much choice

Not that Dodds has turned up to explain the form they’ll have to fill out and questions asked

I’m not going to refuse support on this issue from people I otherwise disagree with.

Exactly. And vice versa - I had a browse through Susie Green’s Twitter feed a few months ago (when it was still possible) and I agree with her on almost everything. It’s just her transitioning zealotry that I disagree with.

Single doctor? That's the weakest part of this proposal. It's also the reason it will never be delivered. I'm sure that the BMA will oppose it. No doctor unless they are a fanatic will want this responsibility alone. And while you do have such fanatics there are not enough of them.

Now he's on board, Andrew Neil needs to challenge the GMC & the BMA.

Once the medical establishment pay attention to the massive risks around this, I imagine there will be few Drs willing to be a single signatory.

See also insurance companies.

I prefer media that is impartial too. However, having someone who has shown he can be impartial on topics is good to have. It means that he will push back on the fuckwittery and may get it show the reality. Like in Sky News the other week.

For me it is about getting voices heard and heard together. If he can get White on with say Naomi Cunningham or Anya Palmer or Akua Reindorf, that would be great.

Or Montgomery on with Kathleen Stock or Emma Hilton.

or just interview Montgomery or Webberly or Nancy Kelley or White any who hold extreme views.

And I am very happy that some people are happy with Labour’s supposed change. However, only time will tell if this is just wishful thinking. And I am not allowing myself to be be convinced by weasel words that seem to be very weak.

Yes, exactly. Wes Streeting actively harassed and organised against Labour Party women, as PP described upthread. That’s very different from ignoring the issue.