Now that some *men* are commenting, it's all changing over on Twitter...

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So Andrew Neil is tweeting about a detransitioner today, Richard Dawkins wrote that piece in the NS that has been shared and commented widely, and Wes Streeting has (kind of) apologised to Rosie Duffield.

It seems like now some men are getting in on the act, people are paying attention 🙄 I'm not criticising them, but honestly, WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN ALL THIS TIME???

Suzanne Moore is, understandably, furious now that Labour has (supposedly) changed its tune, having been terfed out (see what I did there) of the Guardian by Kath Viner. Helen Lewis equally fed up. As are many more women.

It's lovely that men are finally taking notice. But so incredibly frustrating that women's voices just don't count.

(One person on X posited that the tide turned when Elon Musk took it over and allowed wrongthink to be published... that could be the case, too.)

If he genuinely has only seen the detrans thing for the first time, he's a disgrace to journalism.

If he's seen it before, and is feigning his suprise, he's a disgrace to journalism.

If he's seen it before, abs has been to fearful to speak up before he sees the arrow of progress arcing our way, he's a...yes, you guessed it.

I’m definitely not up for criticism from anyone saying we didn’t speak up enough

Fuck that!

I wasn’t one of the first to get onto it but there’s been loads on this site alone who have faced abuse and silencing tactics

Those are the people who can jump. Not the later comers, if people are slow to it fine. I’ll take all the voices offered.

I think more men are getting involved because it's shifting. They were afraid before. Same with some women too. It's understandable.

We just need more people on board, they're on their way.

I think that Neil, like countless men, has until now dismissed this as part of the culture wars. I suspect that there's been some back room polling / information about the sheer numbers of parents (& responsible adults) looking in horror at what's happening in schools, to detransitioners, the Cass revelations etc.
Although, how he ignored the wonderful James Kirkup's exposes I will never understand.

I don't think he's the wrong type of man. I think he just weighed in when there was absolutely no cover and the Genderists were merciless.

It's not like they've stopped trying to intimidate people but it's spread around now and there are too many people they can't intimidate. Streeting, Neil or Dawkins getting a visit from the police would be front page news.

I wish Glinner had given in and recanted. Watching the toll it's taken on him over the years is immensely sad. His career will never recover and his showbiz mates that now change their tune will never acknowledge that he was right all along.

The very definition of light touch management or absentee landlord. I mean, to not read your own journal, or to read it and not be troubles? Until now?

It's a frustrating reality that women need men on our side in a matter so fundamental to our rights. But anyone who says, "Where have the feminists been? Why didn't they speak up?" must have been living on Mars for the past decade.

I think, and hope, that Glinner has now amassed an army of loyal fans who will always stick by him. I for one think he’s great and will watch, listen and read anything he does now and in the future.
And PLEASE let Ted:The Musical go ahead. I would fork out for front row tickets for that beauty!

Good men should be standing up for a fair society.

If it is for their wives, children etc it contiues the self interest idea, you know?

A bit idealistic I know!

I can even understand why - many saw it as a 'woman's issue' and were wary of getting involved.

That is not true though - it has been mainly men giving away womens things - legal status, public spaces, jobs, sports, scolarships, language, and so on.

Men did that.

So it is therefore a man issue not a woman issue.

We were attacked - we had to fight back. Russia/Ukraine type of thing.

(One person on X posited that the tide turned when Elon Musk took it over and allowed wrongthink to be published... that could be the case, too.)

I think it is this. Journos and politicians pay a lot of attention to Twitter. I don't think they realised to what degree the biased moderation made the TRA view seem the mainstream view. Now that's stopped happening they are realising how far the frog has been boiled.

Some men have been actively involved in removing women's rights, yes.

Some other men have been unwilling to get involved in what they see as an issue that doesn't concern them, that is 'a bunch of feminists fighting amongst themselves', etc.

I think there have been a few tipping points. The first was JK Rowling’s tweet about not being a ‘menstruator’. Maya Forth’s successful appeal was another, and arguably the most significant.

Elon Musk allowing gender critical tweets was also key. Previously anyone who contradicted transactivists on Twitter got deleted and ‘cancelled’.

And although I hate to admit it, Boris Johnson raised awareness a lot when he tentatively said that he didn’t think it was fair for women in sports to have to compete with men. He only said that to try to save his career by undermining Labour etc, but it did help in making it ok to ‘say the unsayable’.

And at some point the Daily Mail, who I have never otherwise read, started doing some bizarrely fantastic journalism on it. After that it was just a matter of time.

The house of cards was always going to fall down though. Authoritarian delusions always fail eventually because, to misquote Mr T: “You mess with reality? You gonna lose, sucka!”

I will be there for Ted Musical tickets. He’s been tirelessly courageous and self sacrificing. He’s one of many heroes for me, including HJ, KJK, JKR and KS.

I agrée with this. Previously on Twitter it felt as though there were no GC people, and gave the impression that if you were GC the whole world would think you were evil. Elon Musk taking over has allowed people to see that their GC position is actually the most widely held position.so people feel brave enough to talk.

It's infuriating isn't it? And it will be the men who capitalise on "protecting women's rights" five minutes after deciding that we actually matter and we knew what we were talking about all the fucking time.

But only if it comes at no personal cost to themselves. (Glinner being the honourable exception.)

“You mess with reality? You gonna lose, sucka!”

It’s great that more people are now seeing what’s been going on, I’m all for golden bridges. The kick back is going to be hard though. So much has been invested into whats been a very successful and insidious campaign - up until now. The ideology is not going to go away quietly, now is the time we really have to keep pushing, keep pointing, keep writing, keep speaking, keep organising and keep gathering.

I think you win the internet today.

Crocheting packers.
Oh my days. Funniest thing ever.

On topic, I bet glinner is just happy that hes not alone spitting feathers that he obviously isnt the right sort of man. Maybe feeling relief that it's no longer down to a few good men. He can soon go back to writing and making some money.

It does look like the end is nigh for genderists. Cant come soon enough.
I'm feeling a little more heard recently. It does make the 20+ years of ranting feel a bit worth while.

Women were ignored and mocked for a long time. I believe the biggest threat to this ideology is themselves. The growing number of absurd stories whether via sport, or prisons, or schools etc etc started off as a drip drip effect but is now becoming the flooded dam. The working class average Joe always knew when a man was a man and wasn't put off from stating it. Other men deep down always knew but wanted to remain cool and Liberal until you get to the point where even they can't go along with the charade. Politicians now have to put their head above the parapet and journalists have their role to play. The women like Kathleen Stock, Alison Bailey, KJK, JKR, Sharron Davies and many more are the ones who have done the hard work going against the fashion of the day.

Glinner and JKR and many others deserve honours like the lady from Transgender Trend got. If the nightmare ends I don't care too much who takes the credit, well I do but it ending is the most important thing. The UK/England still seems like an outlier. Can we really lead the rest of the democracies back to sanity on these issues? I hope so but even in UK there is so much to undo. The Emperor's New Clothes has had real value and relevance this century. It does seem that sport, prisons and the medication of children who cannot consent are the 3 areas where 90 per cent agree. Why did so many play along and keep quiet?

The TRA-aligned people I know (not TRAs exactly, but very confident in their place on the right side of history and always ready to lend their support to the pile-on-du-jour) are denouncing Starmer and Streeting now.

Everyone who posted on here for women, regardless of mockery, I salute us.

It’s not over yet but it’s getting there.

Women are still divided on the issue. If women were more unanimous it'd be a different story by sheer numbers (more women than men vote).