Transwomen v. deceptive men are a threat

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I am just reading about Keir Starmer on Radio 5 live about the new stance by Labour on transwomen. The interviewer was talking about how women need safe spaces in case transwomen are a threat, e.g. Isla Bryson. But surely most people are worried about men being deceptive and pretending to be trans in order to access single-sex spaces. That seems much more likely to happen, and that is relevant because the response is always "but that, i.e. transwomen being a threat, hardly ever happens". Do people not say it because they are are scared to say out loud that some transwomen are a fraud? It seems such an obvious and important distinction to me.

It's like the whole man Vs bear debate. We all know we choose the bear because we know what we're getting into with a bear etc.

There's a core of amazing transwomen who are sensitive to women, who use the disabled loo etc as they hate the idea of alienating the people they want to assimilate with. Who can and do have nuanced debate, understanding of many women's position and view and are willing to talk and engage with it (I'm thinking her of Alexis Evans etc). They must get so exasperated by the fact their more reasoned voices are incessantly drowned out by the TRAs.

He's a predatory bloke. Don't take women's words and apply them to a man who you admit is a male, and a threat to women.

Edited to say this comment is for IamaRevenant

We can't read minds - no-one can. Its impossible to tell the difference between Bob the axe-murderer and Bob the pacifist who fosters injured kittens. Its also impossible to tell the difference between a man pretending to be a woman and a man pretending to pretend to be a woman and its silly to try.

I think part of the issue is some men get quite sensitive to women talking about male violence etc because they feel they as individuals are being unfairly judged. But it isn't that all men are bad. Its just that it isn't possible, on meeting a stranger, to read their minds - all you can go of is how they act (are they impinging on my personal space, trying to corner me, following me into the toilets etc). Most men, at least when they have daughter, do realise this so they know really. If we were saying many men are violent so we should be allowed to shoot them that would be crazy. But its perfectly reasonable to say - many men are violent/dangerous we should be allowed to take steps to make ourselves safe. Only males that don't want women to be safe would object. And those males (be they trans or otherwise) are not good people

I don't want any man at all in my single sex spaces.

This is not so much because I feel under threat (although that danger is of course there), more that I simply like having a break from men: the way they change a dynamic, the male gaze, and the way they take up physical and metaphorical space differently than women.

Most people don't murder other people, but there's a law against murder

Most people don't steal from other people, but there's a law against stealing

Most people don'd evade paying their taxes, but there's a law against tax evasion

The laws are there to protect the majority from the minority - do you get my drift....?

Well this.

We have safe spaces because men are a threat. So all men are out, no exceptions.

You know, ‘non-acceptance without exception’.

That is the basic and necessary safeguarding principle of single sex spaces.

There's no such thing as a full transition. Its impossible to transition to be the opposite sex, making distinctions between no, partial and full transition is meaningless. A man is a man regardless of what he does to his body.

Those who have undergone full transition, hormonal and physical, have done so as they do not want to be associated with male violence.

It would be unethical for the medical profession to give drugs and surgery to men for that reason.

I agree with you, thank you for pointing this out. I do use chosen pronouns usually as I have a couple of transwoman friends who have lived as women their entire adult life and I respect them (they are similar to the kind of transwomen referred to by @Bovrilla, very respectful of women's spaces etc and generally just living a quiet life bothering nobody). But I don't respect him whatsoever and he is a predator. So him it is.

Although the last time someone called him that to his face (another neighbour, again one he's targeted as she's bi so apparently owes him sex) he called the police and reported her for a hate crime 🙄

I understand IamaRevenant how difficult it can be. I have a brother who was swiftly whooshed through full surgery as soon as a mental confusion arose. He claims womanhood and I use his chosen name but not female pronouns. It helps that his new name is used for both sexes, that does make it easier. And that we live many miles apart.

Reassure your neighbour that misgendering is NOT a hate crime. The GRC (if he has one) is an understanding between the government and the GRC holder. Individuals are not required to get involved in the falsehood.