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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man in gimp outfit attends Globe theatre

148 replies

Pluvia · 23/07/2023 10:29

That's it, really. One woman wrote to complain and the staff said their only concern was that he might become dehydrated.

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WhiteFire · 23/07/2023 18:10

I honestly don't care if you want to call me right wing, I left the playground many, many years ago, one day you'll be big and old like me and you may too have dropped the behaviours that should have been left behind when you left school.

LonginesPrime · 23/07/2023 18:12

After all, by placing such a heavy emphasis on trans women as the most pressing contemporary "problem" terf figures and groups downplay or avoid feminist theories that focus on topics that make rightwingers uncomfortable - these include intersectional feminism, queer feminism, sex positive feminism, marxist feminist economics and feminist postcolonialism. Indeed many terfs openly disparage these forms of feminism.

So you're saying that 9/10 radical feminists prefer radical feminism?

AnSolas · 23/07/2023 18:14

kraftyKitten · 23/07/2023 17:07

It's a publicity stunt . Now everyone will be talking about this and the traffic to its website will increase resulting in more bookings.

No way in hell would I be paying to attend any venue with a dirty mac vibe.
Any parent I knew, who thinks that its a good idea to book off that type of publicity for the venue ... I would not trust them with a pet rock.

FantasticElasticBand · 23/07/2023 18:23

Yes, yes, yes @WimpoleHat

Why choose an afternoon, if not to inflict the maximum discomfort. Go out 10mins away to Soho & you’re just ‘regular’.

What’s the law regarding porn / indecent exposure, esp re children?

I’m so sure in the mid nighties a female(?) student dressed in a naked body suit (fabric nips, pubes etc…) was arrested in central London. I’m not sure if it was an arty stunt or genuine protest re the ideas surrounding nudity/exposure.

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 18:30

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/07/2023 18:05

I see the bat signal has gone out

I believe this is just another one in the ramping up of forcing queer ideology upon the public, pushing the message, visibility and "philosophy".

From male PhD level leftist TUC activists breast feeding on Twitter to produce 150 strong Left petition of support, to drag queens doing what comes (un)natural at a family "friendly" holiday resort, to Queer playgroups at Tate Britain, to gimps at a renowned Shakespeare theatre in Central London, to self castrating violent assaulting and kidnapping on licence perps taking center stage at Sadiq Khan and Keir Starmer approved Trans Pride openly calling for women to be assaulted.
Have I missed anything? Oh, Dylan Mulvaney and Adam Bryson, but fuck, it's only 7 months into 2023, yet they feel like ancient history, lol.

This isn't Pornhub, or members only BDSM clubs, or Trans/Reddit, or TikTok, from as long ago as 2013-2022
This is the UK, 2023. Our theatres, museums, city streets, holiday resorts, everyday Twitter.

I'm reluctant to fall for plots and conspiracy theory. And I won't.

But I'm viewing this as a ramping up of the rhetoric and imagery for two reasons.

The TRA/Queer ideology fraternity are losing the PR battle. Every opinion poll shows less and less support. They've fumbled the ball.

As each court case comes in with them on the losing side, as each flare up turns the public off, they only have one sensitivity setting
...FULL TILT!!!!

And like a clown car where the brake lines are cut, and it's an a downhill trajectory, and where No Debate has been rejected, they can only do one thing

...keep their foot on the gas pedal.

Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm high on my own supply. But I'd look at all of my examples, and others, incl this I'm sure sensitive male in a rubber suit, and think that their bolt is shot, they're losing the battle on all fronts, and the worse their behaviour pattern becomes, the closer to this boil being lanced we get.

Right now, the inflammation is red and angry, but that's part of the healing process. Just doesn't feel like it while it's happening.

CorruptedCauldron · 23/07/2023 18:33

I think, @FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans, most of the women on Mumsnet who you might perceive to be right-wing terfs are just ordinary women who care about the safeguarding of children. Years ago, I was part of a thriving goth/industrial scene - and used to love dressing up and going to club nights where there was a significant fetish crossover, so to speak.

So, some people would be dressed in the typical gothy black velvet, lace, corsets, frilly shirts etc, while others would be in PVC, rubber, leather, straps and chains. It was primarily a music scene but there were some who were no doubt of a kinky persuasion. I attended a couple of more outlandish fetish nights where I saw people being led about on leads, and men in leather chaps with their butt cheeks out and guess what, I didn’t bat an eyelid - too busy dancing.

Those club nights I attended were for over-18s. No problem there. The key thing with this gimp person at the Globe is they’ve infiltrated a family-friendly daytime event in fetishwear. They’ve forced children to see something that is just really inappropriate for under-18s. I don’t think that makes me a right-wing pearl clutcher. Children’s innocence is a precious thing. There’s a time and a place for kink. Keep it in the bedroom, or at an over-18s club night. Same goes for explicit drag queen entertainers. Leave the kids out of it! Seems common sense has gone out of the window thanks to the rise of queer theory and destruction of boundaries.

PorcelinaV · 23/07/2023 18:35

The other aspect of course that makes the terf position a right-wing one is the fluid boundary between their membership and right-wing groups with whom they share a scapegoat.

For example, if someone is blaming trans-activism / progressive politics for males stealing places in women’s sports, or blaming the individual trans people that compete, how is that a "scapegoat" exactly? * *

Why wouldn't you just say that it's, "accurately identifying the problem"?

SmartHome · 23/07/2023 18:46

Maybe we should just laugh at these idiots. I mean, it might look cool or kinky or sexually arousing or whatever if you're that way inclined in a dark club or a dimly let bedroom / torture chamber, but this bloke just looks silly standing at the bar ordering a drink like that. He looks like a silly attention seeker, and must be really hot and uncomfortable. Maybe it's time to go back to the flasher days and point and laugh at these men in non appropriate settings.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 18:47

They are laughable but how do people feel about their dc putting up with that?

Loads of children go to the Globe

SmartHome · 23/07/2023 19:07

Yeah it's a tough one. I think my younger children wouldn't see it as sexual and would just think he was dressed as an alien or something, for some reason. But the teens obviously would know the score. Who know what effects all this queer theory over sexualisation shoving sexuality and fetishes in their face all the time will have?

The only thing I will say is that all the teens I know (from very different demographics and backgrounds but all pretty NT and reasonably socialised) are universally scathing of anything rainbow or queer now as they are sick of having it shoved down their throats at school. They honestly are more interested in their mates and paying football and video games etc. They are pretty scathing about 'rainbow shit' as they call it now.

So we're back to it being the modern day goth (as I was) really for the kids and so the misfits and the kids who struggle socially due to self image or ND are further marginalised and left out and bullied and unhappy - same as it always was. There was a brief moment where I thought we'd got beyond that and everyone just got along and accepted people for their differences, but the TR extremists have put paid to that with the relentless queering of everything.

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 19:12

AND old school homophobia is back in. The gay kids thought they got an "out" from bullying when schools told the pupils that prejudice on their new genders is zero tolerated.

Well, the kids are just going back to tried and tested forms of torture.

Can't mock a gay kid for changing gender? Well, they'll just go back to mocking him or her for being gay.

It's happening.

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 19:17

LonginesPrime · 23/07/2023 12:11

What I don't understand is why they would let in someone who is clearly dressed in costume when people have come to watch a theatrical production, as I'm sure many audience members would have assumed it was one of the Globe's questionable costume choices until they realised this guy had no speaking part.

If I went to the theatre and saw someone in a gimp suit, especially somewhere like the Globe where they often have batshit costume choices and cast members are often planted in the crowd and/or frequently enter the stage by making their way through the audience, I would assume it was part of the play.

Aside from the Globe's duty of care to its audience, it has a duty to its actors not to subject them to these kinds of issues (of someone trying to upstage them, to interpret the scenario in the most charitable way) when they're trying to do their jobs.

Can you imagine having worked so hard on your craft to get to perform at the Globe and then coming out on stage to be confronted with a random masked audience member in a gimp suit? It sounds like the actors did a fantastic job of ignoring him and showed great professionalism in that, but why on earth should they have to perform their role under such challenging conditions that so disrespect their craft?

It must have felt incredibly intimidating for the actors (and audience) as you have no idea what this man is planning to do, and he obviously has zero regard for letting the actors present the play to the audience as they'd planned to, as he knows his costume will distract from any suspension of disbelief.

And if he doesn't care about the play or the actors or the audience, which is evident from his selfish, upstaging clothing choice, then that begs the question "why is he there?". The absolute best case scenario is that he's getting some sort of power thrill and/or sexual kick from it. But he could be planning anything. He could be dressed that way because he's an escaped criminal who needed to hide his identity or anything. I bet everyone was so relieved when the play ended and they could all conclude that he was probably "just" a fetishist.

But you could also one person's accepted outfit is also another person's omg outfit different fashions for different people, eg someone wearing heavy Goth style outfits, or a load of punk rockers etc.

SmartHome · 23/07/2023 19:24

You're absolutely right. All the TR lobby have achieved is bringing back homophobia and "that's so gay" as a slur.

Sexuality has been lumped in with identity and fetishes, to the detriment of gay people unfortunately. It's no wonder lots of LGB groups are trying to distance themselves from the T.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/07/2023 19:36

I was a goth - it’s nothing like putting on a gimp suit and parading your sexual fetish in public

im genuinely baffled at the idea that strolling about in a gimp suit & a mask is just a fashion choice

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/07/2023 20:05

I used to love the Globe when its main focus was doing great productions of Shakespeare.

ILikeDungs · 23/07/2023 20:06

But you could also one person's accepted outfit is also another person's omg outfit different fashions for different people, eg someone wearing heavy Goth style outfits, or a load of punk rockers etc.

Gimp is fetish not fashion. Fucking hell that anyone has to spell that out. Gaslighting much, Hawk?

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 20:08

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 19:17

But you could also one person's accepted outfit is also another person's omg outfit different fashions for different people, eg someone wearing heavy Goth style outfits, or a load of punk rockers etc.

Goth and punk rocker same as sexual fetish gear?

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 20:09

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/07/2023 20:05

I used to love the Globe when its main focus was doing great productions of Shakespeare.

That's just so...5 minutes ago.

ILikeDungs · 23/07/2023 20:11

Saying gimp gear is just a fashion choice is like saying Nazi uniforms are just a fashion choice, no biggie

maltravers · 23/07/2023 21:33

The Globe is based in the borough of Southwark. The email address for the appropriate safeguarding children’s team seems to be as follows : [email protected]

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 21:42

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 20:08

Goth and punk rocker same as sexual fetish gear?

"Fetish Goth · You like the edgy, kinky types of clothing, like leather corsets or fishnet"

From Google

Datun · 23/07/2023 23:28

guinnessguzzler · 23/07/2023 13:05

Totally agree. The greatest leader of our time (Humza Yousaf in case you're unsure, although I'll admit there is some strong competition) captured it well with his use of the phrase 'at it' in relation to Isla Bryson. We all know when someone is at it; the dehydrated gimp knows, Isla Bryson knows, those dog men in IKEA know, and so does everyone else. But the constant erosion of boundaries means people no longer feel confident in enforcing those boundaries as they fear they will be judged / cancelled / whatever simply for pointing out that no, we don't actually wear fetish gear to the theatre.

'dehydrated gimp'

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DehydratedGimp · 24/07/2023 00:38

Datun · 23/07/2023 23:28

'dehydrated gimp'

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You called?

Grammarnut · 24/07/2023 00:49

dcbc1234 · 23/07/2023 10:44

Another case of 'Go woke, go broke'.

Their Midsummer NIght's Dream had Helena played as a gay man (does not work in the play) and a male fairy (a fat one - not that it makes any difference but it looked funny) in a tutu. I think they are much too woke. Daft 'apporths.

IamSTARVING · 24/07/2023 00:56

Kendodd · 23/07/2023 11:12

Actually I really struggle to see what could be done about this. We all know the context behind this, but, as the theatre said, there were no offensive slogans and all private body parts are covered up. I really don't like the idea of policing clothes. Maybe just pointing and laughing would have been the best strategy.

It is not just clothes though.

That is a specific suit worm for a sexual act.

They are "forcing" the public to participate in the act.

Humiliation being a big part of it, if Mumsnetters are correct.