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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man in gimp outfit attends Globe theatre

148 replies

Pluvia · 23/07/2023 10:29

That's it, really. One woman wrote to complain and the staff said their only concern was that he might become dehydrated.

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PorcelinaV · 23/07/2023 16:07

Kendodd · 23/07/2023 13:14

What about Chinese students demonstrating on the streets of Britain against Chinese government? They even cover their ears for fear of face recognition software and problems they might face returning to China.

It's a difficult one, because of course some people hide their identity because they intend to cause criminal damage or attack the police or attack political rivals.

WhiteFire · 23/07/2023 16:08

playing into the hands of terfs and other right-wingers promoting toxic culture-war positions

Oh no the kinky person called me a right winger, whatever will I do? 🙄

If wanting to safeguard children makes me right wing and a TERF then I'll wear those badges with pride.

maltravers · 23/07/2023 16:13

So a public thread that decries public spaces being invaded by creeps living out their fetishes has been invaded by someone wanting us to watch his video on BDSM. Plus ca change. No thanks.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 16:15

AnSolas · 23/07/2023 14:23

One of the main markets the Globe are selling to is children.

How would you expect staff in a soft play or Thorpe park to deal with this?

How about asking the basic question do staff think the guest is engaging in a sexual activity?
If the answer is yes then the staff step up refund the ticket and tell the guest to leave and that the police would be called if the guest wont go.

One of the main markets the Globe are selling to is children.

How would you expect staff in a soft play or Thorpe park to deal with this?

Good question

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 16:16

DoIWantToGetIntoThisHere · 23/07/2023 11:40

I bet anyone wearing an Adult Human Female T-shirt would be straight out the door..

Yep

PorcelinaV · 23/07/2023 16:21

What about the trans-activist side...

(1) Making barking mad claims about identity
(2) Demanding "rights" off the back of the identity claims
(3) Taking a "no debate" position
(4) Using threats and even carrying out acts of violence in support of their agenda

That's not a "toxic culture war" that they started?

We should blame right-wingers if they respond to the culture war started by the other side, when the other side is basically a bit mental?

PorcelinaV · 23/07/2023 16:24

As for the popularity of the gimp, I'm blaming Pulp Fiction.

StaunchMomma · 23/07/2023 16:29

To me, this is the equivalent of a woman going to the theatre in stockings & suspenders and nipple clamps. These things are obviously just for the bedroom.

Also, unless specifically stated in this instance, there is no way to know if the person inside the gimp suit is even queer - straight people wear gimp suits, too!

purplewolfie · 23/07/2023 17:00

I was there that day and saw him. Unless he goes often! The photo was taken in the cafe where he sat having a cup of tea before the show.

Brk · 23/07/2023 17:03

Ugh.

And you know when he got home he will have got off on upsetting the nonconsensual bystanders.

I don’t go to the Globe since they scrapped single-sex loos and rewrote history with the misogynist version of Joan of Arc.

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 17:04

PorcelinaV · 23/07/2023 16:24

As for the popularity of the gimp, I'm blaming Pulp Fiction.

Yep, even though he got his just desserts in the end? Lol.

guinnessguzzler · 23/07/2023 17:05

purplewolfie · 23/07/2023 17:00

I was there that day and saw him. Unless he goes often! The photo was taken in the cafe where he sat having a cup of tea before the show.

Boy George famously said he would rather have a cup of tea than sex ... perhaps our dehydrated gimp feels the same way?

kraftyKitten · 23/07/2023 17:07

It's a publicity stunt . Now everyone will be talking about this and the traffic to its website will increase resulting in more bookings.

ManAboutTown · 23/07/2023 17:21

Overall I have to admit to finding the conduct of this person rather annoying, for irresponsibly playing into the hands of terfs and other right-wingers promoting toxic culture-war positions.

This has to be one of the most stupid and just plain wrong things I have ever seen written on this site.

Most of the women being denigrated as TERFS are nowhere near the right wing

Anyone think Julie Bindel, Germaine Greer or Kathleen Stock are right wingers?

I have very little politically in common with the abovenamed but on this issue am in lockstep with them

It's important for our women and girls

FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans · 23/07/2023 17:41

@CorruptedCauldron (and less directly @FrancescaContini) I've no reason to suppose that there's any trans dimension to this story, was just mentioning terfs as one of the groups out there who are anti-kink & right-leaning and likely to run with this story.

I can elaborate on the "terf rhetoric is often anti-kink" aspect if you'd like, though I'm hoping that bit is not too controversial. As for terf ideology being a right-wing position I must admit to some surprise at the objections here, because to me terf advocacy was fairly obviously feminism repacked into a more right-friendly format. After all, by placing such a heavy emphasis on trans women as the most pressing contemporary "problem" terf figures and groups downplay or avoid feminist theories that focus on topics that make rightwingers uncomfortable - these include intersectional feminism, queer feminism, sex positive feminism, marxist feminist economics and feminist postcolonialism. Indeed many terfs openly disparage these forms of feminism. I'm sure there are individual terfs who think of themselves as lefties and say they care about these wider topics in theory, but in practice from terfs the anti-trans stuff tends to take centre stage.

The other aspect of course that makes the terf position a right-wing one is the fluid boundary between their membership and right-wing groups with whom they share a scapegoat. These include the politics of many centre-right or hard-right ruling political parties, rightwing media groups, religious conservatives, ethno-nationalists/neo-nazis and conspiracists.

@StaunchMomma Yep, that sounds pretty equivalent to me. Sorry if I gave any confusion - didn't mean to imply that I thought the individual in this case was queer or that latexwear wasn't for straight/cis/vanilla people too!

maltravers · 23/07/2023 17:47

A man arrives to explain feminism. Yawn.

WimpoleHat · 23/07/2023 17:47

dimorphism · 23/07/2023 13:13

My dds school does trips to the globe for GCSE students. I will be writing to them copying in the globe saying if they are ok with adult men acting out sexual fetishes in public I think that it fails safeguarding and I think all parents need to be aware of the official globe position on this before they (as the primary adults responsible for safeguarding their children) consent to school trips there.

I’ve just quoted you to an English teacher friend and asked her whether she thinks it’s a potential safeguarding issue when considering a school trip. She thought it was a very valid point….

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/07/2023 17:49

Oh great more mansplaining

JellySaurus · 23/07/2023 17:53

I wonder whether the BeKind-ers realise that they are unconsenting participants in a sex act. Do they give the gimp outfit the same consideration as any other outfit? Do they equate it with someone dressed as a Goth, for example? A refusal to be judgemental over people's dress choices.

Are they all naively ignorant?

maltravers · 23/07/2023 17:56

You get to define your own identity and the identity of the women you oppose and you think that’s gender non-confirming?

Chersfrozenface · 23/07/2023 17:58

The T in the egregious term TERF stands for Trans.

As has been pointed out previously on this thread, nobody involved has described this person as anything other than a man.

A case of using terms from a particular tribal groupthink without any regard to meaning. How very usual.

Luckydip1 · 23/07/2023 17:59

I don't see why there is anything wrong with someone wearing a gimp suit in public.

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 18:00

Strictly speaking any outfit can be used in a saucy context, although I'll agree a gimp outfit is very omg

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 18:02

FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans · 23/07/2023 17:41

@CorruptedCauldron (and less directly @FrancescaContini) I've no reason to suppose that there's any trans dimension to this story, was just mentioning terfs as one of the groups out there who are anti-kink & right-leaning and likely to run with this story.

I can elaborate on the "terf rhetoric is often anti-kink" aspect if you'd like, though I'm hoping that bit is not too controversial. As for terf ideology being a right-wing position I must admit to some surprise at the objections here, because to me terf advocacy was fairly obviously feminism repacked into a more right-friendly format. After all, by placing such a heavy emphasis on trans women as the most pressing contemporary "problem" terf figures and groups downplay or avoid feminist theories that focus on topics that make rightwingers uncomfortable - these include intersectional feminism, queer feminism, sex positive feminism, marxist feminist economics and feminist postcolonialism. Indeed many terfs openly disparage these forms of feminism. I'm sure there are individual terfs who think of themselves as lefties and say they care about these wider topics in theory, but in practice from terfs the anti-trans stuff tends to take centre stage.

The other aspect of course that makes the terf position a right-wing one is the fluid boundary between their membership and right-wing groups with whom they share a scapegoat. These include the politics of many centre-right or hard-right ruling political parties, rightwing media groups, religious conservatives, ethno-nationalists/neo-nazis and conspiracists.

@StaunchMomma Yep, that sounds pretty equivalent to me. Sorry if I gave any confusion - didn't mean to imply that I thought the individual in this case was queer or that latexwear wasn't for straight/cis/vanilla people too!

Yep, and the Pritzker Foundation pushing it hard, definitely not a right wing pursuit/plot.

Just stop it with the GC equals Alt Right. It's pure fiction, just like saying KJK is a Nazi because some Nazi boys playing at men set up their toy stall next to her adult one.

No, SJB extolling TERFs to be assaulted, now that's pure right/antifa playbook tactics.

Your slandering us here as Alt Right won't stick. Maybe you should go into the real world and check on the institutional harassment of women, get back to us with your juvenile post modern politics labels after that.

It's all cos playing to you.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/07/2023 18:05

I see the bat signal has gone out

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