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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man in gimp outfit attends Globe theatre

148 replies

Pluvia · 23/07/2023 10:29

That's it, really. One woman wrote to complain and the staff said their only concern was that he might become dehydrated.

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guinnessguzzler · 23/07/2023 13:05

Totally agree. The greatest leader of our time (Humza Yousaf in case you're unsure, although I'll admit there is some strong competition) captured it well with his use of the phrase 'at it' in relation to Isla Bryson. We all know when someone is at it; the dehydrated gimp knows, Isla Bryson knows, those dog men in IKEA know, and so does everyone else. But the constant erosion of boundaries means people no longer feel confident in enforcing those boundaries as they fear they will be judged / cancelled / whatever simply for pointing out that no, we don't actually wear fetish gear to the theatre.

dimorphism · 23/07/2023 13:06

A dress code saying no overtly sexual clothing and no face coverings other than religious should cover it.

Absolutely disgusting from the Globe. Won't be going there now as I need to safeguard my children from this; they won't get my money.

CriticalCondition · 23/07/2023 13:10

The Globe's T&C's ban photography by ticket holders in the auditorium but reserves the right to take photos of members of the audience for promotional purposes. Which it can keep 'in perpetuity'. So that would suggest the photo was taken by a member of staff. The internal logs make clear they didn't regard it as any kind of security or safeguarding issue. So let's see how long it takes before it appears in a 'bring your fetish to the Globe' piece of marketing. Or perhaps they'll disguise it as an illustration for 'dress for wet weather' advice.

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 13:10

Monsteramum · 23/07/2023 11:22

And women get thrown off aeroplanes for wearing 'revealing' outfits that show a bit of cleavage, yet men can wander into a theatre in full fetish gear and the only concern is if he might be thirsty.

Because then it's down to the dress code of the companies,

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2023 13:11

guinnessguzzler · 23/07/2023 13:05

Totally agree. The greatest leader of our time (Humza Yousaf in case you're unsure, although I'll admit there is some strong competition) captured it well with his use of the phrase 'at it' in relation to Isla Bryson. We all know when someone is at it; the dehydrated gimp knows, Isla Bryson knows, those dog men in IKEA know, and so does everyone else. But the constant erosion of boundaries means people no longer feel confident in enforcing those boundaries as they fear they will be judged / cancelled / whatever simply for pointing out that no, we don't actually wear fetish gear to the theatre.

😂Brilliant comment - thank you.

dimorphism · 23/07/2023 13:13

My dds school does trips to the globe for GCSE students. I will be writing to them copying in the globe saying if they are ok with adult men acting out sexual fetishes in public I think that it fails safeguarding and I think all parents need to be aware of the official globe position on this before they (as the primary adults responsible for safeguarding their children) consent to school trips there.

dimorphism · 23/07/2023 13:14

If they think they might lose school trip revenue it might focus minds.

Kendodd · 23/07/2023 13:14

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 11:20

Let's have a new law. No more masking up at demos. Anyone with a mask, scarf, banaclava...umbrella...two umbrellas...gets pulled out of any demo.

You're proud enough to fight your cause, you're proud enough to show your face.

What about Chinese students demonstrating on the streets of Britain against Chinese government? They even cover their ears for fear of face recognition software and problems they might face returning to China.

CriticalCondition · 23/07/2023 13:17

I'd like to know where the Globe draws the line. What if Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey showed up? No 'offensive slogans', all covered up. The 'naked' bits are fake.

RealityFan · 23/07/2023 13:22

Kendodd · 23/07/2023 13:14

What about Chinese students demonstrating on the streets of Britain against Chinese government? They even cover their ears for fear of face recognition software and problems they might face returning to China.

That's a good point.

FrancescaContini · 23/07/2023 13:37

dimorphism · 23/07/2023 13:13

My dds school does trips to the globe for GCSE students. I will be writing to them copying in the globe saying if they are ok with adult men acting out sexual fetishes in public I think that it fails safeguarding and I think all parents need to be aware of the official globe position on this before they (as the primary adults responsible for safeguarding their children) consent to school trips there.

Good idea. I’ll do the same.

FannyCann · 23/07/2023 13:59

I doubt whether they'd offer a refund. They'd say it was your choice to leave.

This reminds me of the time I booked tickets for Cabaret - matinee during half term when the girls were 12 & 10.
Now please don't all laugh at me for being the only dimwit who literally knew nothing about the show beyond having seen Liza Minnelli singing the showpiece song. I've never like Liza Minnelli and took no interest in it. But I thought it would be fun to finally see it and it was a half term show.
Back in those days (2008) Theatres still had their own box offices you could phone to book tickets and I think I was warned there was some nudity at that point but didn't really take it on board.
We arrived and if I remember correctly I think we may have been lightly warned ("There is nudity") on the way in.
The show started and very soon there were dancers in fetish wear and nudity. DH scooped up the girls and removed us all pronto.

The theatre apologised profusely and said they'd had quite a few problems as it wasn't suitable as a half term show and refunded the money. We went to the cinema and saw some child friendly film instead.

Point is, back then the theatre - or at least staff in the box office - was aware of child appropriate boundaries and I was warned, probably at least twice! Blush

Now they would probably think it suitable for a nursery trip! There definitely wouldn't be any warning s and probably no refunds either.

maltravers · 23/07/2023 14:04

I see this creep booked an afternoon/matinee performance (no doubt to increase the chance children would be present). Disgusting, and shame on the Globe for its pathetic and craven attitude.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 23/07/2023 14:22

dimorphism · 23/07/2023 13:13

My dds school does trips to the globe for GCSE students. I will be writing to them copying in the globe saying if they are ok with adult men acting out sexual fetishes in public I think that it fails safeguarding and I think all parents need to be aware of the official globe position on this before they (as the primary adults responsible for safeguarding their children) consent to school trips there.

That is very worthwhile doing. Maybe via email with the globe copied in?

AnSolas · 23/07/2023 14:23

Kendodd · 23/07/2023 11:12

Actually I really struggle to see what could be done about this. We all know the context behind this, but, as the theatre said, there were no offensive slogans and all private body parts are covered up. I really don't like the idea of policing clothes. Maybe just pointing and laughing would have been the best strategy.

One of the main markets the Globe are selling to is children.

How would you expect staff in a soft play or Thorpe park to deal with this?

How about asking the basic question do staff think the guest is engaging in a sexual activity?
If the answer is yes then the staff step up refund the ticket and tell the guest to leave and that the police would be called if the guest wont go.

PatatiPatatras · 23/07/2023 14:24

😂. Other places toss people out for wearing the wrong shoes.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/07/2023 14:34

Whatthechicken · 23/07/2023 14:22

Back in October the Police in Somerset arrested a man in a gimp suit, even had the Police and Dog Unit out looking for him. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-63393521

He wasn’t arrested for wearing a gimpsuit though, he was arrested for hiding and jumping out at women dressed like that in the dark and scaring them witless.

FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans · 23/07/2023 15:13

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playing into the hands of terfs and other right-wingers promoting toxic culture-war positions

So the left-wing is cool with non-consenting adults and children being co-opted into strangers' sex play, IYO? Because that seems like a self-own.

FrancescaContini · 23/07/2023 15:31

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans What does being right or left wing have to do with this issue?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/07/2023 15:37

Be as kinky as you like at home I couldn’t give a fuck but keep your kinks and fetishes private

CorruptedCauldron · 23/07/2023 15:38

An absolute fiction from FriendlyNT that ‘terfs’ are all right-wing. What’s this incident at the Globe got to do with trans rights anyway? Do you happen to know whether the person in the gimp suit has a trans identity? And how do you know what their political leanings are? They could be a Tory MP for all you know!

Chersfrozenface · 23/07/2023 15:41

They could be a Tory MP for all you know!

If kink equates to being left-wing, they're far more likely to be a Labour or LibDem MP, surely.

PrinceYakimov · 23/07/2023 15:47

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/07/2023 12:35

Come off it. No dress code or similar policy can cover every contingency. You may give specific examples of things that are banned, but you can't individually list every single inappropriate item that some numpty might wear. As well as any specifics, a dress code will also have general terms about appropriate clothing.

Thinking that the Globe staff were unable to remove this guy is to miss the point. If that had been the issue, the duty log would have said so. They did not want to remove him. On the contrary, they congratulated themselves on their tolerance, and treated the woman who complained as an annoyance. Because tolerance only extends to men wishing to co-opt people into their kinks, and not to women or children who don't consent to be part of someone's wank fodder.

Absolutely. The Globe is a private venue. They'll have something in their ticketing T&Cs that says they reserve the right to deny entry to anyone behaving inappropriately. They could kick him out if they wanted.

This is the result of organisations and staff being groomed so that they can no longer recognise or challenge sexually inappropriate behaviour.