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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women Won't Wheesht Aberdeen

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TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 20/07/2023 23:43

Is anyone else going on Sunday?
It's at 1pm in Duthie Park.

I'm driving up from Glasgow and picking up a friend in Arbroath on the way.
I'm reliant on Sat Nav so if anyone knows cheap/free places to park nearby that'd be great.

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fiftyandfat · 24/07/2023 22:14

The police specialise in losing evidence IME, so hopefully the original video and copies will be kept safe.

Froodwithatowel · 24/07/2023 22:23

Really do wonder if a woman being mugged for her property in a public place and then beaten for daring to resist, in front of police, with police given video footage, and reported and visible facial injuries, would normally be treated quite in the same cavalier manner. If, say, it was not a woman standing up for the retention of women's legal rights in a perfectly peaceful, legal way.

It's the 'she was being provocative and deserved it' belief, isn't it?

Which is a near relation of the 'sometimes a woman just needs a good slap' belief.

Boiledbeetle · 24/07/2023 22:35

fromorbit · 24/07/2023 20:34

It sounds like there is another copy of the film from Women Won't Wheesht's statement today and they are going to release it when they are ready.

The victim is not happy at the Police not contacting her today:
https://twitter.com/DarcyWAHF/status/1683496040937209859

I'm so angry on her behalf!

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/07/2023 07:02

punching women, just another thing that’s legal in Scotland now

fromorbit · 25/07/2023 09:35

Aberdeen Live downplays what happened following the current Police line:
https://www.aberdeenlive.news/news/aberdeen-news/woman-assaulted-during-aberdeen-gender-8625368

The Gaudie the University of Aberdeen student paper has tried to write a balanced account giving Women Won't Wheesht its due. Gives the TRA side which of course claims that the woman victim was the aggressor.

"Esme, who has received hundreds of abusive messages on Twitter since Sunday, challenged WWW's narrative.

She told The Gaudie that a member of her group had been punched in the face, and that the situation had been 'reversed' in online reports.

However, in response, a WWW member told us that the incident happened away from the main group of protestors, and that they would not have been able to see the alleged assault on Julie."

https://www.gaudie.co.uk/post/activists-clash-in-duthie-park-over-trans-rights

Lets hope the Truth prevails.

Woman assaulted during Aberdeen gender critical protest at Duthie Park

Police confirmed that they had been told of the altercation, which involved a woman, aged 54, and a 26-year-old who was given a recorded warning in connection with the incident.

https://www.aberdeenlive.news/news/aberdeen-news/woman-assaulted-during-aberdeen-gender-8625368

fromorbit · 25/07/2023 12:53

Eyewitness to the assault speaks out:

https://twitter.com/WitchyMcWitch/status/1683767252770865156

"It's now been a couple of days since my friend was assaulted in Aberdeen.

And I have some thoughts.

The hatred & aggression I saw in the thug's eyes who attacked Julie was, genuinely, chilling.

I don't believe he would have stopped (Julie was so lucky that a passerby intervened & stopped this unprovoked attack)

I have watched the video over & over again & it scares me every time.

Luckily we didn't capitulate to the demand to "stop fucking filming"

I may be very naive & privileged, but I always believed that the Police would protect me.

This young thug waddle-jogged 200 yards to a group of middle-aged women, stole their property & then viciously assaulted one of them when she demanded their property was returned.

At the time I was so relieved that the whole episode was recorded, because I thought at least the violent assailant wouldn't get away with it, because the evidence was there.

I thought given Police Scotland's very recent (VAWG) Strategy

And their recent admittance that the force was "institutionally misogynistic" would mean they would ensure justice was done & that justice was seen to be done.

So women & girls knew their words weren't simply empty promises.

I was wrong.

Despite irrefutable evidence of the robbery & assault, despite numerous witnesses, despite clear injuries to the victim, despite this happening in a public place on a Sunday afternoon in front of families with young children Police Scotland decided to do nothing.

Police Scotland decided that the best way to show the public they were serious about tackling & punishing VAWG was to not tackle or punish the vicious brute who attacked my friend, leaving her with lasting injuries.

I was always a supporter of the Police, I knew their jobs were extremely challenging, but I t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ knew they would protect me.

Police Scotland have, effectively, told out of control, hate-filled misogynists that they can steal from, & assault women with impunity

I am hurt & I feel let down.

But most of all I am angry.

I am angry that, yet again, women are treated with utter contempt by institutions who pretend they care, but in actuality, they couldn't give a fuck.

But, make no mistake, our anger & hurt will not stop us.

It will only serve to verify that our fight for women's rights is needed more than ever.

Police Scotland you should be ashamed.

But we will not wheesht. Not now. Not ever."

https://twitter.com/WitchyMcWitch/status/1683767252770865156

ArcaneWireless · 25/07/2023 13:38

Says it all ⬆️

Meanwhile, with regard to Police Scotland, it seems to have been decided by the media that this is far more heinous than a woman being assaulted and deserves more sunlight.

You can punch a woman but don’t touch the hair….

outrageous

police officers

Police Scotland postpones clean-shaven policy - BBC News

The plans would have required many frontline officers and staff to remove beards and moustaches.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66295257.amp

Mochudubh · 25/07/2023 14:13

I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the even-handedness of the Gaudie reporting. I have a faint hope that perhaps UoA isn't as captured as some other HEIs and that common sense is more highly valued.

Mochudubh · 25/07/2023 14:15

Posted too soon. I'm aware there's a fair bit of woo woo floating about but my feeling is that it's less prevalent than elsewhere.

ArcaneWireless · 25/07/2023 14:43

I wonder if EH tweeted about the violence that they said happened to their members. I can’t see it but concede I may have missed it.

Given that they called for members to rally against the ‘terf gang’, you would have thought it would have been on social media immediately.

”EH told The Gaudie that a member of her group had been punched in the face, and that the situation had been 'reversed' in online reports.”

Hmm.

Violence is not the answer. I hope they reported it to the police should it have happened.

It just seems curious to me that only a man was escorted away.

Aye - the article may have been even handed.

I hope that the footage is released. Then perhaps we can dispense with the ‘alleged’ assault part of the article.

To my knowledge, people don’t get a recorded police warning for dancing to Abba.

ArcaneWireless · 25/07/2023 14:48

And, if anyone goes around punching members of the public, and there is proof of that, then I would expect more than a ‘recorded police warning’ to happen.

fromorbit · 25/07/2023 14:53

Things are heating up.

Women's Rights Network Scotland have issued a blistering statement they have written to the authorities:
https://twitter.com/WRNScotland/status/1683776447242985472

The Scottish Daily Express have done an excellent follow up:

Police Scotland refuses to back down amid row about Aberdeen gender critical protest assault
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-refuses-back-down-30547547

It reveals shockingly:

Police Scotland "have insisted that they have dealt with an assault at a gender critical protest in Aberdeen the right way following complaints over the force's conduct."

An attempted cover up is clearly developing.

It reveals that former Scottish Police Federation general secretary Calum Steele and General Secretary of the International Council of Police Representative Associations has spoken out about the Police failure :

"On 16 March Police Scotland launched its Violence against Women & Girls (VAWG) Strategy. On 25th May the Chief Constable said the force was institutionally misogynistic. On 22nd July a woman was violently assaulted by a man in Aberdeen. He wasn't prosecuted
"The VAWG strategy was always an exercise in backslapping & simultaneously, (as ironic as it sounds) self-flagellation. All the headlines & #ThatGuy videos in the world are worthless if when faced with a real time violence the service completely fails the victim."

Steele is a major figure who also questioned the Scottish gender reforms as a disaster from a Policing perspective.

Meanwhile not a lot from the other media or other politicians besides the head of Alba. Way more discussion and coverage of a TRA saying people should punch women than a women actually being Punched by a TRA.

We haven't even seen any Tories addressing this for some reason as far as I can see.

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Froodwithatowel · 25/07/2023 15:30

Excellent letter.

If there is going to be tedious wittering about 'send a message' actions (a really limp hangover from the Blair years that by now is long out of date) then the message being sent is 'maaaate, just beat women who annoy you, and the police will understand'.

I also agree at this point I am sick to the back teeth of the lip service sentimental burbling about caring and sensitivity and all the rest of the tick list of corporate wankery when anyone can see it's linked to no actual reality or actions or beliefs. I'd rather these agencies were honest enough to own their own views instead of hiding behind a lot of burble. Which says they're aware enough that what they are doing is wrong to want to hide it and lie about it, but still want to do it.

And the answer to that is to get them in the self image, which apparently matters these days more than morality, integrity, law, boring old stuff like that.

ArcaneWireless · 25/07/2023 17:11

Cops said that a 54-year-old female had been involved in an altercation with a 26-year-old male

See to me, the wording of this suggests the 54 year old woman (for want of a better term) was all in and giving as good as she got. Whether it be fisticuffs or whirly windmills at dawn.

Not that he assaulted her. Not that he punched her in the face. Nowt like that.

And therein lies the problem sadly.

Because hurty feelies matter more than actual injuries.

Froodwithatowel · 25/07/2023 17:13

She evilly resisted him mugging her while being in a public place with opinions and female biology.

🙄What's a poor bloke/Copper to do?

dimorphism · 25/07/2023 19:21

If the police won't charge this man, then the video footage needs to be released to as many media outlets as possible.

dimorphism · 25/07/2023 19:58

The alternative could be a crowdfunded civil case against the alleged perpetrator. If the video evidence is as clear as it sounds - that might provide some useful sunlight on the way in which police seem to be modelling themselves on regimes where women have no human rights.

Can't get over them saying there were no injuries - blatant lies. Any 54 year old woman punched by a 26 year old man will be injured. That's biology.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 25/07/2023 20:05

I was there, it definitely happened obviously.
The police are an utter disgrace.
It's just made me more determined to carry on attending events, I'll be at Falkirk next month and Skye in September.

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fromorbit · 25/07/2023 20:53

Poor Julie. This is so outrageous.

If you have a spare moment WWW is asking people to complain :

"If you are as outraged as we are.
Please do make your feelings known to @CC_Livingstone & @COPFS.

[email protected]

[email protected]

For Women Scotland have sent a letter.

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Boiledbeetle · 25/07/2023 21:58

if anyone reading attended and has footage/ photos you may be able to help

https://twitter.com/WWWheesht/status/1683941369599983620?s=19

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ArabeIIaScott · 25/07/2023 22:26

So shocked and saddened to hear about this. Hope the woman involved is okay. And ffs, Police Scotland!

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 25/07/2023 23:13

Boiledbeetle · 25/07/2023 21:58

if anyone reading attended and has footage/ photos you may be able to help

https://twitter.com/WWWheesht/status/1683941369599983620?s=19

We arrived just after the assault, I have photos/videos of the event, but none of the assault.
The TRA's just stood in a line screeching and yelling mainly, then played loud music.
They never have anything to actually say, they just want to stop women speaking.

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Boiledbeetle · 25/07/2023 23:22

Even so, you never know though you may have something they are looking for on your footage

Boiledbeetle · 26/07/2023 00:24

https://twitter.com/McpTrishy/status/1683966182221545473?s=19

On a lighter note the women are having a sing in the video attached in this tweet

https://twitter.com/McpTrishy/status/1683966182221545473?s=19

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