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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/07/2023 21:36

He does not do well!

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

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Boiledbeetle · 21/07/2023 00:23

I love when they manage to piss their own supporters off

Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson
Boiledbeetle · 21/07/2023 00:30

IW is not happy.

Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson
Hepwo · 21/07/2023 00:41

He wants to fight? They are all getting punchy now.

Anderson obviously didn't test out his latest waffle on the usual box of frogs before his half hour of uhming.

WallaceinAnderland · 21/07/2023 00:41

He says the whole problem is the 'megaphone' debate and he wants people to calm down and discuss rationally.

Beth says ok, and calmly sets out the perceived problems and lo and behold, he doesn't want to talk about them after all!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/07/2023 00:44

Nancy Kelly ruined their business model and fucked off.

It's brilliant tv.

dimorphism · 21/07/2023 01:16

What rights does India want that India doesn't have?

Also clearly scared that people see through the forced teaming of the T with the LGB.

WallaceinAnderland · 21/07/2023 01:26

BlessedKali · 20/07/2023 22:56

did anyone else watch that and think 'This man .... this man.... THIS is the man who is the chair of the organisation that is socially engineering every major institute in our country. THIS MAN .''

The Wizard of Stozwall

Helleofabore · 21/07/2023 07:35

I think that Beth did very well. She could have come back easily with the sports question of but why was it ever proposed they complete against women? And point out that they can still complete in the male category or ‘open’ if it is called that.

What she did early on though was point out the absurd circularity of ‘women’s spaces’ remaining ‘safe’ while Anderson kept rounding back to the ‘Twaw’ and ‘there is the exceptions’ everytime. As she pointed out, he used ‘women’ and he means males as well, when women want single sex. So he is obscure and showing how Kier Starmer does it.

All while ignoring that Stonewall has been proven to encourage organisations to prioritise the dismissal of using those exceptions if any organisation wishes to be considered a stonewall champion. Again, if Beth was better versed in this topic, she would have skewered him. Emma Barnett did skewer Nancy like that before where a Nancy denied something and Emma pointed out that stonewall are on record for rewarding behaviour that was the opposite to what Nancy declared.

Was it language for mothers? or was it selection of caters? I cannot remember specifically. But it was clear in Stonewall’s reward scheme that they were at complete odds with what Nancy said. Nancy lied because she knew it was not acceptable that Stonewall did that, but it couldn’t be said on national media.

Either way, Anderson tried the Starmer approach and I hope Starmer took note. It fails, every times a good interviewer doesn’t allow the lie to continue.

And then all the deception is exposed.

popebishop · 21/07/2023 07:39

WallaceinAnderland · 21/07/2023 00:41

He says the whole problem is the 'megaphone' debate and he wants people to calm down and discuss rationally.

Beth says ok, and calmly sets out the perceived problems and lo and behold, he doesn't want to talk about them after all!

Exactly.
It's almost as if the problem isn't some terrible shouting on all sides, but the fact that your position is incoherent, intolerant, and falls apart the minute you look at it.

But no, it's those nasty Twitter bigots to blame...

rogdmum · 21/07/2023 07:45

To me it felt as though Stonewall have realised they have a problem and have had a bunch of management meetings to figure out how to improve their image. A PR person has said, “let’s get you on a mainstream channel, exclusive interview, prime time, loads of people watching and you can show how reasonable you are and how reasonable our stance is.” Then they’ve sold the idea to Sky TV.

And then it’s gone horribly wrong…

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2023 07:51

AlisonDonut · 20/07/2023 23:05

Apparently, there is legislation..did anyone know this before tonight?

And what is this Equalities Act? Its a very subtle but consistent error... wonder what that's all about.

Simon Edge has pointed out that you can always spot someone who's been Stonewall-trained because they refer to the "Equalities Act" rather than the "Equality Act". Makes me wonder if Stonewall do it deliberately or whether it's a mistake.

I haven't watched the whole thing, but luckily there are lots of short clips on Twitter. This clip where Beth Rigby shows him a picture of Lia Thomas winning a gold medal and the two women who came second and third gives a pretty good idea of his incoherence when asked a straight question:

https://twitter.com/treesey/status/1682135263961657346

https://twitter.com/treesey/status/1682135263961657346

Helleofabore · 21/07/2023 07:53

rogdmum · 21/07/2023 07:45

To me it felt as though Stonewall have realised they have a problem and have had a bunch of management meetings to figure out how to improve their image. A PR person has said, “let’s get you on a mainstream channel, exclusive interview, prime time, loads of people watching and you can show how reasonable you are and how reasonable our stance is.” Then they’ve sold the idea to Sky TV.

And then it’s gone horribly wrong…

Yes. I fully believe that stonewall have realised they have significant issues. They sent this man in hopes of showing their reasonableness, Nancy is gone now so we are all reasonableness…. Don’t you see? But it was a huge fail because it has shown that even their chairman fully realises there is major issues in their over reach and their full alignment with the most extreme trans demands.

And now they have a significant hurdle to get those extremists back on board because they were a huge part of their membership and, I would suggest, their staff (paid and volunteer).

nettie434 · 21/07/2023 07:55

I've only seen two extracts posted by Cathy Devine (a stalwart for women's rights) on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/cathydevine56/status/1682166636122447874?s=61&t=ONvRKaVGQGpQEV6-b6Z5EQ

https://twitter.com/cathydevine56/status/1682157310888628225?s=61&t=ONvRKaVGQGpQEV6-b6Z5EQ

Beth did a good job in her interview and the backdrop of the photograph in the clip on transgender women in sport was extremely effective as she asked him to look at the 3 winners. He was clearly very uncomfortable but I agree with the posters who think there is clearly some debate in Stonewall about their strategy.

Anderson also spoke about the rainbow laces campaign in football. Somebody should have warned him about that. One of the biggest rainbow laces 'allies' in the Premier League, Jordan Henderson, is about to sign for a club in Saudi Arabia. Not a good look for evidence of the campaign leading to changed attitudes.

https://twitter.com/cathydevine56/status/1682166636122447874?s=61&t=ONvRKaVGQGpQEV6-b6Z5EQ

Westfacing · 21/07/2023 07:57

The swimming podium photo gets to me each time!

Well done Beth.

LonginesPrime · 21/07/2023 07:58

What really incensed me was when BR asked "what about women who object to having male-bodies in their single-sex spaces?" and he said he hoped to be able to calm them!

Not to do anything about it - just to shut them up so it's not a problem he has to deal with.

The argument was basically the same as "fuck off TERFs" and "only lesbians who agree with us are welcome here" - it's "why can't everyone just be kind" all over again.

I'm extremely glad he agreed to the interview though, as it was a perfect illustration of how trans rights conflict so fundamentally with gay rights, and of the fact it's not possible for women and gay people to "just be kind" without also acting to their own detriment.

Stonewall trying to take a middle-of-the-road approach to trans issues is illuminating, as I feel like this guy is just stepping out of his bubble and realising what we all realised several years ago.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/07/2023 07:58
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Does this make Stonewall Megaphobic?

ArabeIIaScott · 21/07/2023 08:00

'In 2015, the charity wrote to parliament's women and equalities select committee seeking a review of the Equality Act 2010 to "remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces".
Asked if Stonewall was wrong to take that stance prior to his appointment last year, Mr Anderson told Beth Rigby:* *"I wasn't in the chair at that point."
However, Mr Anderson was then asked if his definition of woman meant a biological woman or a transgender woman who has received a gender recognition certificate allowing her to be treated as a woman under the law. He clarified his position, saying: "This is the sort of question that politicians are getting right now, the sort of 'what's a woman?' question.
"Look, I think we all know what a woman is and I think as I said as well, though, since 2004, for almost 20 years now, we've got legislation that allows someone legally to change their gender. Right so somebody can transition from male to female, from female to male.
Asked if that meant they could go into a women-only space, Mr Anderson said: "They can, yes".'

So a woman is anyone who wants to access women's spaces. Got it.

Helleofabore · 21/07/2023 08:03

he said he hoped to be able to calm them!

Yes. This was very clear. He wanted to assure them. While upholding the fact that those male people are the very women he considered should be there.

Because the GRC.

Then when that was exposed, he went for the ‘look at the census’!

He literally had his lie exposed then pivoted to ‘but it is so few’!

it is a script. We all know it. We have all argued against people who deploy it.

puffyisgood · 21/07/2023 08:04

he personally was terrible - came across as someone who either doesn't really agree with the stonewall tilt towards being largely a trans rights organisation or else someone who refuses to be honest about this having happened - but for me the biggest blow came at the very beginning, reminding viewers of Stonewall's mighty past achievements, eg on gay marriage, and the unspoken contrast between this and what it's been reduced to (albeit with a much larger budget and headcount) today.

Helleofabore · 21/07/2023 08:07

ArabeIIaScott · 21/07/2023 08:00

'In 2015, the charity wrote to parliament's women and equalities select committee seeking a review of the Equality Act 2010 to "remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces".
Asked if Stonewall was wrong to take that stance prior to his appointment last year, Mr Anderson told Beth Rigby:* *"I wasn't in the chair at that point."
However, Mr Anderson was then asked if his definition of woman meant a biological woman or a transgender woman who has received a gender recognition certificate allowing her to be treated as a woman under the law. He clarified his position, saying: "This is the sort of question that politicians are getting right now, the sort of 'what's a woman?' question.
"Look, I think we all know what a woman is and I think as I said as well, though, since 2004, for almost 20 years now, we've got legislation that allows someone legally to change their gender. Right so somebody can transition from male to female, from female to male.
Asked if that meant they could go into a women-only space, Mr Anderson said: "They can, yes".'

So a woman is anyone who wants to access women's spaces. Got it.

Yes… but we still uphold women’s rights!

Don’t you mean biological women? (Using Beth’s words

No… just all women… don’t you know that 96% of women support trans rights.

I did love Beth coming back on that with, well women CAN support trans rights while wanting single sex spaces to be single sex. Because in the past that would have been called out for transphobia!

fromorbit · 21/07/2023 08:11

Absolute trainwreck. Major help to our side. If you are writing to MPs remember to refer to this interview.

pues · 21/07/2023 08:24

What a peculiarly inarticulate man!
Starting every answer with 'sooooo..' to give him time to think.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/07/2023 08:28

Beth Rigby <chef’s kiss>

Iain Anderson: we’re talking about a very small number of people

no Iain, we’re talking about 51% of the population you misogynistic wank trumpet

of course you’re not because you never give a single thought to women because they’re not real people are they?

sweaty little weasel

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/07/2023 08:32

And pivoting straight from ‘a small number of people’ to ‘we want to make it easier for people to change their gender’

Iain: let’s all relax about this because there are hardly any trans people

Also Iain: let’s get loads more trans people!

and the answer to ‘should men be in women’s single sex spaces?’ Being ‘werrrll the legislation says they can so…’

is he even capable of addressing whether something is morally right?

BlessedKali · 21/07/2023 08:33

He doesnt believe his words he just wants to retain the funding stonewall receive for pushing the trans agenda. Thats why the interview is similiar to that of a politician - we're witnessing someone who doesn't believe what they are saying, whilst also trying to be as vague as possible to appease as many possible, and give no definite answers he can be pinned to.

I found interesting how often he pointed to the GRA. He used that as an answser to some of Beth's probing. 'Do you think women should have women only spaces?' - ' we have had the GRA for a while now ...'

what he is effectively saying is 'well the law states people can legally change sex, so there'.

It makes you realise what a tactiacal move the GRA was. Once in place it can be referred to, to prove how someone can change sex in the eyes of the law, and then how can you argue with that? We see Indignant Willybooby do it everytime he flails his passport around.

It's a bit like 'let us have this small insignificant peice of paperwork that will be of no interest to anyone' .. and then 'this paperwork now proves philosophically and legally that men can become women and you must re-structure the entire society around it.'

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