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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/07/2023 21:36

He does not do well!

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

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DuesToTheDirt · 22/07/2023 12:00

It's interesting that the example of the woman asking for a female to do intimate care managed to find his human being instincts, but sport (& it sounds like breastfeeding too) didn't.

Well in the sports clip (the only bit I've watched), he didn't present any arguments, just said he was never any good at sport - the implication being that he therefore couldn't imagine himself in elite sport and therefore couldn't care less.

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 12:10

DuesToTheDirt · 22/07/2023 12:00

It's interesting that the example of the woman asking for a female to do intimate care managed to find his human being instincts, but sport (& it sounds like breastfeeding too) didn't.

Well in the sports clip (the only bit I've watched), he didn't present any arguments, just said he was never any good at sport - the implication being that he therefore couldn't imagine himself in elite sport and therefore couldn't care less.

I think his elderley mother died recently.....so he could maybe picture that.

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 12:14

I supect Michael Cashman is highly influential and very involved. His twitter feed from 14 hours ago says" Some people prod you with sticks to get you to give the answer they want. I prefer to welcome someone into the room and begin to talk with them"

Lottapianos · 22/07/2023 12:30

'I prefer to welcome someone into the room and begin to talk with them"'

Oh sure, unless they're with the LBG Alliance 🙄 the absolute state of Stonewall refusing to speak to a group of gay, lesbian and bisexual people

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 12:31

Lottapianos · 22/07/2023 12:30

'I prefer to welcome someone into the room and begin to talk with them"'

Oh sure, unless they're with the LBG Alliance 🙄 the absolute state of Stonewall refusing to speak to a group of gay, lesbian and bisexual people

It also implies he is only willing to talk on his terms - in his room.

Madcats · 22/07/2023 12:35

There is some interesting speculation about whether the rest of the Board knew about this interview on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Broonjunior/status/1682667528118579200

Me? I'm beginning to wonder whether Sky might have popped Iain into the green room with some sycophants and lots of booze before the interview. He did look very sweaty.

https://twitter.com/Broonjunior/status/1682667528118579200

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2023 13:27

Madcats · 22/07/2023 11:02

So, if Nancy Kelley left Stonewall yesterday and the Chair has been put back in his box, I wonder who decided they needed to issue yesterday's press release?

It's going to be hard for Corporations to justify spending ££ to be diversity champions if Stonewall has just announced that they don't give two hoots about lesbians and gays....and....would women please just shut up and do what they are told.

The words I've written on my piece of paper and thrown into the hat is 'the interns'.

When do we find out who won the prize?

thirdfiddle · 22/07/2023 13:41

Here, here. (Or is it "hear, hear"? - a different debate!)

Hear hear. No debate 😜

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 22/07/2023 13:51

I kept getting distracted trying to work out his accent (Scottish / Cornish mix?) and had to stop looking at his facial expressions, but still kept just shouting bollocks and just answer the question. He couldn’t really have done worse could he?

highame · 22/07/2023 13:56

Boiledbeetle · 21/07/2023 19:03

James doinh his impersonation of Iain being interviewed.

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1682437430366838791?s=19

This is so, so funny. I wondered if it had been posted. Thank you

rogdmum · 22/07/2023 14:05

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 22/07/2023 13:51

I kept getting distracted trying to work out his accent (Scottish / Cornish mix?) and had to stop looking at his facial expressions, but still kept just shouting bollocks and just answer the question. He couldn’t really have done worse could he?

It’s quite entertaining to watch some of it with the volume off.

BettyFilous · 22/07/2023 15:26

I’m watching with DH. We just got to the “breastfeeding” transwoman and he asked me to pause so I could explain what he was seeing. After a potted explanation, he said: “that’s so fucked up.” Yep. I thought he’d already crested the mountain top, but nope. He peaked again.

BettyFilous · 22/07/2023 16:08

We fell down a Beth Rigby rabbit hole on YouTube. The Dame Wendy Hall interview about AI was fun. DH said Beth’s mannerisms remind him of Jen on the IT Crowd, so the intro in a computing lab at Southampton Uni was gold. We plan to subscribe to her podcast off the back of today’s meandering.

EnfysPreseli · 22/07/2023 19:02

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 22/07/2023 13:51

I kept getting distracted trying to work out his accent (Scottish / Cornish mix?) and had to stop looking at his facial expressions, but still kept just shouting bollocks and just answer the question. He couldn’t really have done worse could he?

Yes, the constantly shifting accent was very distracting. Not quite John o' Groats to Lands End and back again, but his very mannered way of speaking probably made the inconsistencies in pronunciation more obvious. Despite the fact that he was visibly under a lot of stress, it felt as if he was doing his best to give a good performance. A pretence of being competent, reasonable and intelligent. Unfortunately his lines were crap and nobody was fooled. Or happy.

TangledRoots · 23/07/2023 00:28

highame · 22/07/2023 13:56

This is so, so funny. I wondered if it had been posted. Thank you

That’s brilliant 🤩

mb2512cat · 23/07/2023 09:53

NecessaryScene · 22/07/2023 07:24

I can't get my head around the exemptions. It there is a defendable reason for having a single sex space (proportionate and legitimate) surely this means the rationale for excluding males (regardless of how they identify) is built in.

Yes. The exemption is to the default "no sex discrimination" rule. Not anything about "trans".

To be permitted to have a reason to sex discriminate, you need a proportionate and legitimate reason to exclude males. And if you have that, then that obviously includes transwomen.

And failure to exclude transwomen would call in to question the exclusion of other males - if you're prepared to admit some males, then it's not clear you can any more justify excluding other males under those sex-discrimination exceptions then you can't justify excluding others. This is one of those things we've yet to see a test case for.

As a member of Girlguiding I’m actually looking for a male member of the organisation who would like to sue them for excluding them from the leader positions. Girlguiding have two types of roles for adults: those at are mixed sex and those that are female only. They do have male adult volunteers; typically dads and husbands of female members. But because they allow males without a GRC to take on what were female-only positions purely on the basis of self-ID, which is against the organisation’s Charter and registration with the Charity Commission, on what basis are they excluding other men who remain legally male from those positions? Would be good to get a crowd finder going and see what GGHQ do…

NecessaryScene · 23/07/2023 10:00

As a member of Girlguiding I’m actually looking for a male member of the organisation who would like to sue them for excluding them from the leader positions.

I've struggled to figure out a good scenario to actually carry out this fight, but that actually sounds pretty ideal.

I imagine they'd want to fold and open up those positions to avoid the case, if they already have mixed-sex staff. But if that would get them in more trouble...

NicCageisnotNickCave · 23/07/2023 10:54

I would worry that when stuck between a rock (male leaders via self ID) and a hard place (a legal challenge from a bog standard male without an internal lady-gender) Girl Guiding will take the easy escape hatch and become a mixed sex organisation (which will no doubt cause a dwindle-to-eventual death situation).

When a boundary challenge is mounted on a single sex space or service for females, there are only two viable options, the full-on tervern defensive battle (invoking the single sex exemption in the Equality Act and possibly getting a rat nailed to your door) or capitulation.

If the org/service or business isn’t committed to the single sex model then it’s much easier to completely roll over and cede all territory to ‘inclusive/gender neutral’ than it is to defend the halfway house of single sex for females + some very special males with pink souls.

Are there enough women left in Guiding who are committed to the single sex model? Because from what I’ve seen from the outside looking in, the paid management are way more likely to roll over and declare Guiding ‘Inclusive of ALL genders’ than they are to listen to the volunteers who actually run the meetings (and care passionately about opportunities for girls).
That will cause volunteers to lose their motivation and the whole thing will eventually wither away to nothing.

Once the E.D.I. (Equity, Diversity, Inclusion) Vampire makes its way into your org, you are pretty much fucked.

The letters should be rearranged to spell out D.I.E. instead.

There is a massive opportunity for Guiding to grow in cities and bigger towns due to shifting population demographics. Girls from conservative (small c!) religious and/or immigrant backgrounds can benefit enormously from single sex extra curricular activities, as can girls in looked-after provision.
Other girls who don’t have these social restrictions benefit from mixing and integrating with the girls they would unlikely to know otherwise. Plus the benefits of girls-only provision is widely known from data on single sex schools

I use a women-only gym (an extra room at a mixed gym) and love it. It’s given me a much more diverse group of female friends.

To bring this back on topic, no doubt Stonewall would happily have my friends self-exclude from public life so a middle male in floral leggings and a crop top can take up their place in the ‘Ladies Gym’ without challenge. Unlike GG’s I think my council-owned gym would defend using the single sex exemption (only 1 of the 9 gyms under the brand banner has a designated women-only space and it’s in an area with a large number of Muslim residents. It’s clearly a proportional means to a legitimate aim, the aim being increasing activity of women from minority and marginalised communities for the aim of improved public health for all).

DontGetEvenGetEverything · 23/07/2023 15:06

snurtifier · 21/07/2023 21:25

"a literal handful of trans women"

I think they mean a metaphorical handful of trans women, no?

😆🤣🙃

But more seriously, I think this lends credence to @AlisonDonut 's suggestion the interns are behind this press release. Or at least younger members of staff.
This misuse of the word "literal" is not something I've ever heard or read from someone my age or older. Which means everyone involved with writing, proof-reading and editing this document is under 40.

Madcats · 23/07/2023 15:23

Whenever I start reading a sentence with the word "literal" or "literally" on my social media feeds I assume that it will either be aspirational or batshit lies.

Maybe it's my algorithms.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 23/07/2023 19:50

Madcats · 23/07/2023 15:23

Whenever I start reading a sentence with the word "literal" or "literally" on my social media feeds I assume that it will either be aspirational or batshit lies.

Maybe it's my algorithms.

It’s one of those paradoxes that makes my head spin that the literal meaning of literal is literally changing.

Boiledbeetle · 24/07/2023 12:18

Not sure if this has been posted

Letter to Iain from Sex Matters

Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson
Boiledbeetle · 24/07/2023 12:19

https://twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1683425013435711488?s=19

Forgot the link

BezMills · 24/07/2023 12:29

Good letter!

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