DM -Italy erases names of gay mothers from birth certs

[DustyLee123]

Can’t do links. Story about removing one mother from the certs where there’s two female names .

If that were true, you wouldn’t be able to get the CSA to chase child maintenance as a result of DNA evidence.

But even if you could adopt both mother would have not be the children mother

if we’re open to the lie then we are in TRA land

a child has one biological mother so for the purpose of the birth certificate it matters not wether your

How does that work with sperm donors?

So is the biological mother the one who gave birth or the one who donated the egg?

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You will be shocked to find out that social services don’t routinely do DNA

I also think any family members claiming to be related to unclaimed minors should have to do dna tests as well

lesbians are perfectly capable of jointly being biological mothers. I know a few lesbians in which the fertilised egg of one woman was implanted in the other. So one is the genetic mother and one the birth mother. Both should go on the birth certificate, surely, along with bio father if known.

I believe that contracts are signed to protect them against this. Without a contract, they could be chased for maintenance.

I find this a really interesting dilemma
Have been reading the whole thread through.
I was (and still kind of am) that it should be biological mother and father on there.
As a child has a right to know who both of theirs are.
I'm torn though, as I can see it's not always as easy as that.
We have lesbian couples who are legally both parents, just like me and my husband are.
Why should one have no parental rights if they are the parent just as much as the one who gave birth, they could even have produced the egg so would make them just as much the mum?
So not only are lesbians being affected, we have on this thread someone saying DNA tests around for all to see who the father is, so affects lesbian women, straight women, we're all affected.
LGBT rights, and women's rights, they're all intertwined. All at risk if you start going after one which people always deny or ignore if it's pointed out
Not to mention DNA tests all round to prove paternity sounds bloody dangerous if say someone was married and having an affair, or had a one night stand with someone they knew nothing about, or were raped....

Daily Mail and Miriam Cates and Posie Parker and the idiots who picket children's drag hour.

are you claiming posie or Miriam cates or daily mail readers are homophobic my sister is a lesbian and reads the daily mail
and to be honest men twerking in front of kids needs protesting

and why can’t you just have your own views and hang out with your family

unless your in a cult then most people are a rounded view of people they agree with some things and don’t with others

being stright dose not preclude you from having a view on what is and isn’t homophobia just like women can have a view on what is and isn’t transphobia

if you feel that homosexuality is less tolerated then you need to talk to the over sexualised pride event organisers

drag queens who are desperate to twerk to kids

and the men who just can’t possibly have a wee with out it being in the ladies before these panomanom homosexual acceptance was nearly at a all time high

Well in that case if only one mother is on the bc, the birth mother would be missing which is not acceptable or desirable imo.

We have lesbian couples who are legally both parents, just like me and my husband are.

they are not though you and your husband are the biological parents
one of the mothers is not biologically related
i am an adoptive parent I had my child from birth I am not her biological mother 🤷🏿‍♂️but I am her mother the two are not the same if it’s just samantics and words don’t matter why can’t a man in a dress call him self a women

I disagree. Motherhood is not as clear-cut as fatherhood. The gestation and birth is hugely significant, probably primary, in defining a woman as a mother, the way that the mother and baby are ‘one’ during this time and even after the birth and breastfeeding. Motherhood is not simple gamete donation like it is for fatherhood.

They can have a genetic mother and a biological mother.

I agree. The birthing mother influences how genes are expressed in the baby. She's not "just" a carrier for someone else's DNA.

I’m not going to look up the law again, but I think that change was made in 2008, so you are incorrect that it would have said “parent”.

That’s exactly what this discussion is about. Changing it from “father” to “parent” changes the understood meaning from someone who is likely a biological parent to someone who is, instead a legal parent, and who in some cases, could not possibly be the biological parent.

Whether that change is in the interests of the child is what the discussion is about. A judge recently stated that the birth certificate was for the benefit of the child, so potentially significant changes will inevitably lead to discussion about who this change benefits, or whether the change might actually be detrimental to the child.

Legal changes are brought in. Much of the time they function well enough. Sometimes they have unintended and unconsidered side-effects, so reviewing changes as people become aware of them is a normal part of the process.

Realistically, the most common use of a birth certificate now is proof of identity. What then should it contain a record of and why?

I actually think DNA tests should be done before fathers are allowed on birth certificates
Sorry, just reread and it wasn't DNA tests all round for fathers, just if they wanted putting on the birth certificate
Still though, married man and wife, the man would be just as much a parent as she - why should she have to prove who is the Dad in order to have her husband on there?
Still sounds potentially dangerous in some circumstances, what would happen if it was found out they weren't biologically theirs?

Absolutely not. No man can be a mother.

So carrying a baby to full term, and giving birth counts for nothing then?

Not to mention DNA tests all round to prove paternity sounds bloody dangerous if say someone was married and having an affair, or had a one night stand with someone they knew nothing about, or were raped....

and the rights of a child
also I no this is a feminist board but I have a son and men shouldn’t have to raise or be financially responsible for a child who is not there’s
and are we seriously saying that true perterinty should be hidden from a child and a man should be made legally responsible for a child who’s not his to save the blushes of a mother who’s having an affair

should we go back to adoptive parents being able to lie about their children being adopted to save my blushes

all the studies say that children do better when they know who their biological parents are and they do much much worse if they find out they have been lied to and this especially worse if they find out during their teens