KJK and the neo-nazis video

[niandraladesand]

Just wondering if anyone here has seen this yet and what you think of it

No one has to like Kellie-Jay. No one has to agree with her methods. She's not the only show in town. Do your thing, write your zine or whatever.

I'm Boombastic, tell me fantastic
Touch me inna me back, she say I'm Mr. A-Ro-mantic
Call me faschistic
She touch me inna my back, she says I'm Mr. Boom-boom-boom-boom

... But if it's long, boring and really really pleased with itself (nothing specific in mind here, honest) do be prepared for women to engage with something that doesn't treat them like idiots in need of guidance.

I think we're spookily on the same wavelength @teawamutu

Fuck. This person just goes on and on about 'optics'. Oh, now they have gone on about the 'low turnout. While never once acknowledging the intimidation and the protesting extreme activists, and didn't seem to acknowledge the violence that women experienced in Tacoma, New York and other cities in the USA or in Auckland.

Why is that do you think? Did it not fit the extreme bad faith arguments that this video seems to solely rely on?

He says:

"There isn't a silent majority just waiting for the opportunity to speak up."

And yet, there is now numerous polls for the UK that actually DO show people are fearful of speaking up. I am more than happy to post links to at least 2 that I have stashed away. So, this is not based on reality, this is based on what this person wishes to believe and tell others.

"because whatever concern might exist in the silent majority about things like puberty blockers or women's sports, they're also so concerned about neo-nazis opposition to trans rights"

What planet does this person live on? Most people in the UK have little idea about Neo-nazis. However, many now know about puberty blockers and/or women's sports. So again, this person is only ever feeding back misinformation to people who seem very desperate to hate one woman in particular, but also any feminist who believes there is a conflict with the rights of female people and that of a group of male people who are making demands to access those rights.

This person then launches into discussing infighting within the movement, goes back again to how troublesome the format of an open mic event is. Tries again to point out 'guilt by association' over and over. No evidence. Just 'look a Proud Boy turned up in Miami'!!

I have yet to see this person make the point that only if all women have spoken will any man get to speak. And it is rare that any man ever gets to speak at all.

This is just going on and on about 'guilt by association' and a woman's determination not to be censored or censured, so this person twists her words incredibly to fit the narrative of this video.

So.... no proof yet.

Women having different boundaries and methods of campaigning. Imagine that! It's almost like we're individuals with personalities or something.

Oh hi Lettuces. Care to point out which point this misogynistic man makes that you find so very compelling, that we haven't heard a thousand times before, and that seemingly no one can articulate in their own feminist words?

I wasn't going to bother much more with this as it seems to be a complete time waster but having now seen @Helleofabore sacrificial efforts on our behalf I went to the video web link.

And quite honestly my only response is why anyone, only 5 days ago, made a video that appears to be little different in content to things said a year, 2 years, 3 years ago. Not only make but assume others would want to bother with it.

Had this delusional male said something along the lines of I now have information that confirm suspicisions from 2023, 2022, 2021 etc., about KJK you would think well there is some point.

Seriously, whatever the issue, why would you make a video this week that has already been made so many times before/

Or is he some very special person that we should all stop and listen to?

It's almost as if Lettuces has nothing to say themselves, and only wants to call out anyone who says anything.

The sum total of Lettuces' MN total contribution to MN so far:

I thought it was excellent, would be interested to read what people on this board who actually watched it think.

Have you watched it?

Wetransfer link for a transcript of the youtube auto-generated subtitles in .txt format

Are you actually watching the video?

What a way to live.

Can't wait for the fifth installment.

I am half way through. He doesn't like Julie, JKR or any of us supporting KJK.

The only not I would like more information on is the woman who got pregnant with a lad she was responsible for, what's the actual story as I don't trust Mr (pregnant people) Twist events, who thinks because JKR deleted a tweet two days later she should go back years to delete other tweets.

Just more and more twisting of the actions and words of a defiant woman for the next lot of guff. And it is guff. We have seen all of this before.

The reality is, KJK is human. She really does pushback on being censored and censured. Do I agree with everything she say? No. I also don't agree with what prominent feminists say 100% either. Does she deliver her message bluntly? Absolutely she does. She states her boundaries very clearly and some people disagree with her boundaries. That is fine. Disagree. But this is just so much waffle and 'guilt by association' and 'look at her, she says she is ok with being called transphobic'. I am nearly half way through and there is absolutely fuck all that is accurate or supported by anything other than misrepresentation.

"If you've watched my previous videos you'll know that she invited the anti-abortion politician baroness Emma Nicholson to speak at one of her events."

The Baroness has been misrepresented here. She is not 'anti-abortion'. She has issues with late term abortion but fully supports abortion in many instances. I cannot remember, but I think she has supported the current abortion laws.

So, again, more misrepresentation to try to bolster the argument.

KJK has stated very clearly her views on abortion and she is very pro-choice. This person has again misrepresented what she did say. Which was pointing out that without clarity on the word woman, that so many of the rights for women become meaningless. And that it is important to her to prioritise getting female defined in law first.

She set out her priorities. She did NOT say she was anti-abortion. For any of those posters who thought this was a great video, please post the transcript of where she talks about it. This person has clipped this from it:

"I think if it comes down to Reproductive Rights for women or the right to say who we are and what we are I mean the latter is far more important, I think you can win reproduction rights back I don't even know if there's a general appetite in America to take them away"

It was pre 'the Wade & Roe debacle' and this doesn't support what this person is misrepresenting them to support.

And the next bit where she discusses allowing children to take contraception that might be harmful to them without careful consideration of all the options is not controversial. But again, is misrepresented.

I am really just going to skim through the rest. This is not going anywhere that has not been discussed on so many threads on FWR. If I find anything new, I will post it.

On behalf of Lettuces who have done us no harm, as well as cheered up many a rabbit, I request that in future all references are in quotes ie "Lettuces" so that genuine, grassroots lettuces dont get a bad name.

Thank you for this summary.

It appears that, as usual, reading comprehension and semantic comprehension is the issue, rather than any real substance to the complaints.

Ok. YAY! This person got one thing right !!! YIPPEE!!! I was wrong. YAY! Thanks so much Lettuces!

And YOUR contribution Lettuces? Did you contribute anything meaningful to this thread?

"But Kelly J Keen says 'no! parents need to take back control of their children". This ends up being a restriction on particular abortions because miners wouldn't be able to get abortions without parental consent or permission. This would in cases where anti-abortion parents refuse to give consent either Force miners to carry pregnancies to term or cause them to seek out unsafe abortions. Keane often states that she is pro-choice and I think she probably legitimately believes that she is but that's just inside her own head."

So, this person admits that KJK says she is pro-choice, but this person doesn't believe her. Because she said that parents should be involved with their children's medical decisions and support their children. I think I remember the video she explains this. She is saying that children should have their parents support in these decisions so they can make a decision that is right for their health. I don't believe that she was declaring that no child should get an abortion or contraception.

I believe she was saying parents should be involved and making sure the child makes an informed decision. Please people who are saying this video is great, please post the transcript of the video with the wider context on what she said. This dishonest snipping is just that. Dishonest.

"Of course outside of her own head she is a single issue campaigner so what she personally thinks of abortion doesn't really matter. She's more than willing to sacrifice that right at the altar of her anti-trans campaign.

Again, this is a direct misrepresentation of what she did say. I suspect one of us has transcript that video if I remember but I cannot spare the time to go find it.

She talked about 'prioritising' defining female people in law FIRST!

This is all so dishonest.

"so there's a few things to say about this the first is that the claim that Keen is a women's rights campaigner is not true she is willing to trade away women's rights that they already have and a lot of hey has been made about the fact that Keane claims to be fighting for women's rights but is also willing to give up women's rights because that's an obvious hypocrisy right worth noting here though"

The hypocrisy is this YouTuber's.

This YouTube has not presented what she has said, but just repeated misrepresentations.

"But Kelly J Keen says 'no! parents need to take back control of their children". This ends up being a restriction on particular abortions because miners wouldn't be able to get abortions without parental consent or permission.

I'm not a fan of this Shaun chap's views on child labour practices.

Oh... of course. Here is the 'carrying guns' thing.

"Anyway the next problem I have with Keane's stated motivations for her activism is her claim to be protecting women's spaces. Keane says she's motivated to stop people she calls men from going into women's spaces like toilets and locker rooms and she also claims to be concerned about women's shortlists for rewards women's sports grants for women and things like that.
The first issue I have with this position is that Keane has repeatedly advocated for men to go into women's spaces. Most notably here she's argued armed men who agree with her to go into women's toilets including trying to enter School toilets."

Well, here is the transcript for that video:

"...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us."

"I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help."

It is yet another extreme bad faith interpretation that was actually started by the extreme trans activists, let's remember that.

Now, do I agree with her calling for men to use the women's toilets. No. But I can see what she is trying to achieve here.

And it is NOT for man with guns to specifically enter women's toilets.... with their guns!

It is making the point about those men who seek to protect their family members by carrying guns as one way they do that, can choose to simply use the same tactic of ‘self-ID’ to enter the female toilets and not only show society how ridiculous self-ID is, but to go in with their families because now no male can be kept out.

Do I agree that any male over 8 enters a female toilet? No. And her call to action that males do this was not appropriate. But it is important to be honest about what was said in context.

"Maybe you carry, maybe you don't."

Or can people not read the 'maybe you don't'.

But, hey. Don't let the context get in the way of a misrepresentation to vilify someone.

hang on (leaving the comedy spelling error aside). Is chappie saying I shouldn't have any input into the medical treatment of my children 'cos abortions?

doesn't seem right does it?

If you call those points 'receipts', you have a very low bar for investigative standards.

As many of us pointed out, there is nothing new in this video that I could see. Not one of the supportive posters posted anything they thought was 'great'.

And so far, most of the tired old points have already been addressed in many threads already. Maybe you missed some of them.

But either way, your 'they're not engaging their brains' is a fucking ridiculous hyperbole.

We have transcripted videos, we have pointed out false misrepresentations in thread after thread after thread already. Your post simply seems like just another one to shame women who disagree with you.

That is how I read it.

slight aside - Parents are mostly the best advocates for their children - I had to pull up the sexual health clinic for letting my daughter leave with the pill but no condoms! When challenged they said she didn’t ask. So it’s her first ever appt, she is looking to the expert in the room to advise her on best practice and they don’t even mentions condoms! The std rates for teens and young adults are horrendous. So having parents their to question and protect their kids interests is ideal.

I've listened to another chunk of it. I am curious as to why the presenter thinks that his documentary is compelling evidence. To him, it seems that appearances are of great importance. As another poster has mentioned, he talks about optics a lot. He doesn't appear to understand that you can be friends or work with someone without sharing all of their values.