Sexist leftist antifa men

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I’m coming across quite a few leftie men online who are so sure transwomen ARE women and that terfs are hateful, right wing, Nazi bigots who are all white, middle class and middle aged.
You know the type: like LOJ and Bragg, antifa etc

What is it all about? Is it that they are so sexist and so insecure in their masculinity that they just can’t cope with the thought of effeminate men?

These men are a real puzzle to me and I have to admit their righteousness is getting to me.

Mid wits

timpool dubbed them people just Clever enough but not clever enough to realise they have no common sense

and actually the data shows educated people
more likely to get sucked into cults

@Thatgirl1981 this was specifically in prison. They were all extremist beforehand.

Some people crave confirmation bias, rather than knowledge.

Jo Brew has some interesting thoughts about why so many on the left, men in particular, are all for TWAW.

Transgenderism is the new Socialism
This essay looks at why the supposed champion of the underdog, the Left, has not sprung to defend women or material reality in this clash of rights.
29 May 2022

jobrew.substack.com/p/transgenderism-is-the-new-socialism

Mary Daly Understood Transgenderism Four Decades Ago
25 July 2022
"Most commentators on transgenderism start by saying they are not anti-trans, they are not radical feminists and they had no idea it was coming: for them the ideology came out of the blue. They talk about a stealthy take over, of captured institutions, of goodwilled but misguided professionals. They describe the madness and conclude that when people see the illogical insanity they will reject it. If only that were true. I argue in this essay that transgenderism is best understood as a development of gynaecology, the mind and body attack on Western women that developed in the 19th century, and continues now. In her 1978 book, Gyn/Ecology, Mary Daly describes five gynocidal atrocities committed by men and names them “The Sado-Ritual Syndrome: the Re-enactment of Goddess Murder”. This essay examines Daly’s 1978 thesis, suggests how it applies today and looks at how her insights can help us in our struggle against the current woman hating craze, global transgenderism."

jobrew.substack.com/p/mary-daly-understood-transgenderism

Fratriotism
Fratriotism is love of the rule of the brothers, like patriotism is love of the nation. The swift spread of transgenderism is caused by spontaneous fratriotic acts, not just "capture" or force
25 Feb 2023

jobrew.substack.com/p/fratriotism

Froodwithatowel - "the misogyny is writ very large in the men with no skin in the game who see the role of women as being kind of walking Florence Nightingale AI units with sex provision attachments"

This is so good: so funny and yet so on the nail that it is simultaneously horrifying.

Those men are not just on the left though.

As an aside, does anyone else think that there has been a shift towards more nuance in discussions on FWR in the last couple of years when there is a contrast being made between "left" vs "right"?

In the past there seemed to be a dominant Socialist, scathing condemnatory response to anyone who dared to say that they were not left wing, accompanied by a territorial claim such as, "This is a Feminist Board!"

Maybe I've been reading the wrong threads but that sort of attitude (minus the "territorial claims") seems to be mainly confined to TRAs now, who I assume are also mostly male.

Of course, TRAs from across the political spectrum are always happy to give selflessly of their time in order to tell us how we ought to be thinking and acting, bless their little cotton socks!

Misogyny and sexism on the Left is a feature, not a bug.

Andrea Dworkin wrote eloquently about her experiences of being in Left Activist meetings in the 60s, 70s and 80s - how the men would talk over the women and laugh at them when they tried to speak about feminism, telling them that achieving global socialism was far more important than feminism, which could always be addressed later, as an afterthought.

Interestingly Leftist Intellectual Ash Sarkar posted something very similar in 2019.

There's also this idea on the Left that life for women in the USSR was a utopia of equal rights. This represents a fundamental misunderstanding of Soviet ideology and modes of thinking. In the USSR, women had to work whether they wanted to or not because all human beings who were physically able had to become robotic parts of the Communist Machine, whether that meant crushingly long hours in factories or being sent to certain death on the Stalingrad front line in the 1941 as cannon fodder. Individual humanism was not valued, one's role as a cog in the machine was what counted.

However in actuality, especially by the time we get to the 70s and 80s, childcare in the USSR was so expensive that women had to leave their children home alone whilst they worked their 12 and 14 hour shifts. Thus leading to the crisis of the 'abandoned children' which the Soviet Govt tried unsuccessfully to address.

I personally don't think feminism and hardcore far leftism are compatible.

A Labour government has become the new "global socialism" - far more important than women's sex based rights (which won't be addressed later, because twaw, bigots etc).

In my experience it's rare for left wing groups to sing the praises of the Soviet Union. Having said that, the revolution - in which women played a significant part - did bring significant gains for women relative to tsarist Russia.

Mmmmm, ok. But what the Revolution gave, the Red Terror and the Holodomor took away.

Possibly the Soviet Union is not a great benchmark for any sort of humn rights, not just women.

Some of the posts on this thread (perhaps a lot) are just bonkers

The far left has always been just as unpleasant as the far right - authoritarian and deeply intolerant of opposing views. Neither have been friendly to feminist causes - all regimes at the extremes have been run by men although women who got their foot in the door weren't much better