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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

David Tennant

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SidewaysOtter · 11/07/2023 20:02

I’m gutted, I’m such a huge fan of his. I’ve been hugely looking forward to the second series of Good Omens.

And now this. When challenged on it, apparently he said “I’m OK, TERFs can’t climbs stairs”.

How very disappointing.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/07/2023 07:56

Can’t be that highly intelligent if he thinks men can become women because no one can change sex 🤷🏻‍♀️

if he doesn’t think they literally change sex then he’s just a big standard beeeee kiiind misogynist who still sees men as the important humans who’s needs come before women as the support humans

in reality I suspect he doesn’t think Isla Byron should be in a woman’s prison, that women should have access to single sex spaces like rape support services and refuges & that trans people shouldn’t be discriminated against. That’s pretty much the position the majority of people take in here.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/07/2023 07:57

lightbulbmom · 11/07/2023 20:37

I'm a feminist, and I support transgender individuals. I don't, however, believe that we should be medicating and performing life changing surgeries on children. I think we should be adequately funding therapies to support them through the puberty process which is necessary for our bodies to complete, as difficult as that may be for them. And we should be doing proper psychological evaluations on each child throughout the puberty process and into early adulthood to ensure that gender reassignment is the right course for them.

I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to think this, and those of you who are parents who actually have some experience of the situation will surely correctly me for wrong-headedness, but isn't 10 years old very young already to be thinking that you were born into the wrong body? (I am very old and don't necessarily understand these things, maybe they were happening to those around me when I was that age and I just missed it?)

StephanieSuperpowers · 12/07/2023 08:00

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom , yes, much too young. It's hard to even imagine how a child that age comes up with this in the absence of plenty of exposure.

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 08:08

Great post @Nellodee if only all teachers were like you.

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 08:10

When a primary aged child starts talking in activist sound bites my first thought is to consider how much unregulated internet use they have.

OldCrone · 12/07/2023 08:14

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/07/2023 07:57

I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to think this, and those of you who are parents who actually have some experience of the situation will surely correctly me for wrong-headedness, but isn't 10 years old very young already to be thinking that you were born into the wrong body? (I am very old and don't necessarily understand these things, maybe they were happening to those around me when I was that age and I just missed it?)

Yes, 10 is far too young.

The idea of 'trans children' was invented, or at least has been promoted, by the middle aged male transitoners who wanted to make their newly acquired identity more acceptable to the rest of society. They realised that they would get more sympathy if they were 'just like' a small boy playing with dolls rather than considered as a man with a fetish.

And relabelling transsexuals as 'transgender' was also part of the sanitising process. You couldn't imagine people talking about 'transsexual children' in the way they're happy to talk about 'trans children'.

'Trans children' didn't exist 30 years ago. They only exist to prop up a male paraphilia.

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 08:16

Tennant reminds me of the men in Afghanistan that pretended to see women as equal but just accepted the Taliban takeover without fighting for women's rights at all i.e. totally willing to give away women's and girl's rights when convenient.

At least his kid will have money to insulate them. Many of the children being permanently damaged won't and will be discarded to a life of pain, just as many detransitioners have already been.

Clymene · 12/07/2023 08:16

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/07/2023 07:51

Am I misremembering or was DT married/long term partnered before his current wife? I went to Google to check my facts and couldn't find anything about it but I'm sure I remember a bit of fuss about it at the time.

You're misremembering. I think the only vague gossipy thing was that she is much younger than he is and was playing his daughter in dr who when they met. But they're actors!

Countdowntowinter · 12/07/2023 08:18

OldCrone · 12/07/2023 08:14

Yes, 10 is far too young.

The idea of 'trans children' was invented, or at least has been promoted, by the middle aged male transitoners who wanted to make their newly acquired identity more acceptable to the rest of society. They realised that they would get more sympathy if they were 'just like' a small boy playing with dolls rather than considered as a man with a fetish.

And relabelling transsexuals as 'transgender' was also part of the sanitising process. You couldn't imagine people talking about 'transsexual children' in the way they're happy to talk about 'trans children'.

'Trans children' didn't exist 30 years ago. They only exist to prop up a male paraphilia.

It's very 'on trend' though for parents to have a non binary child.

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 08:21

I'd suggest any primary aged child suffering gender dysphoria would benefit more from some quality one on one time with their parent rather than their parent wearing activist t-shirts which force the child into a position of feeling they cannot change their mind, but obviously the former is a lot more hard work than wearing a Tshirt.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 12/07/2023 08:22

GrammarTeacher · 11/07/2023 20:14

People who disagree with you on this issue are not handmaidens. We are not doing it for the approval of men. We just disagree with you.
I'm with DT on this one and it's no news that he supports trans people.

Crikey.

Please reassure us you aren’t merrily transing other people’s kids in school, setting them on a pathway that leads to sterility, isolation and suicidal ideation?

Froodwithatowel · 12/07/2023 08:25

'Freak' being an interesting word choice there, showing the usual tolerance and capacity for rationality so very common to this critical theory movement.

But 'leave kids alone' is probably the gist of what most women with very serious concerns about this political ideology want. Calling them 'freaks' for those extremely serious concerns, being so widely held and increasingly evidenced, is a bold choice. But not uncommon from an adult with a teen at home in the full grip of the movement, with all the fears and coercion so very often involved.

shropshirewitch · 12/07/2023 08:39

FFS. Jumping on the bandwagon. Still would though.

beguilingeyes · 12/07/2023 08:40

LightlySearedontheRealityGrill · 11/07/2023 20:48

The new dr who sidekick is trans woman. Push back no doubt for having a female dr who (once). To demonstrate no doubt, we shouldn't get too comfy with representation. Now it's two males. Give with one hand, take with the other.

That's not the new sidekick. That's a girl called Millie.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/18/millie-gibson-revealed-as-doctor-whos-new-sidekick

I've always loathed him. He's always struck me as being very narcissistic. He's my least favourite Doctor (Matt Smith FTW).

Millie Gibson revealed as Time Lord’s new sidekick in Doctor Who

Coronation Street actor will appear as companion to Ncuti Gatwa’s 15th incarnation of the Doctor late in 2023

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/18/millie-gibson-revealed-as-doctor-whos-new-sidekick

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Quiverer · 12/07/2023 08:46

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 08:21

I'd suggest any primary aged child suffering gender dysphoria would benefit more from some quality one on one time with their parent rather than their parent wearing activist t-shirts which force the child into a position of feeling they cannot change their mind, but obviously the former is a lot more hard work than wearing a Tshirt.

Why does it have to be one or the other? How does wearing a T shirt disable a parent from spending quality time with their child?

DontGetEvenGetEverything · 12/07/2023 08:52

I actually think this is a really good thing, very well timed for the UK move towards greater accountability, evidence based medicine and therapeutic interventions for children with gender distress.
It is very agressive, nasty, "complete freaks" - there is nothing reasoned or thoughtful or good faith about that. And it's on display for all to see.
I think his comms/PR people have misstepped. Rekon they've mostly worked in US (where we know this would go down a treat).
Honestly, I think this is good.

dimorphism · 12/07/2023 08:56

Quiverer · 12/07/2023 08:46

Why does it have to be one or the other? How does wearing a T shirt disable a parent from spending quality time with their child?

Firmly putting yourself so publicly on the non science side means the child can't change their mind very easily. So if they have doubts they can't voice them

25sheets · 12/07/2023 08:57

what does he mean saying TERFs can't climb stairs?

RealityFan · 12/07/2023 09:01

25sheets · 12/07/2023 08:57

what does he mean saying TERFs can't climb stairs?

Like his little friends, the Daleks.

risefromyourgrave · 12/07/2023 09:02

25sheets · 12/07/2023 08:57

what does he mean saying TERFs can't climb stairs?

I assume it’s a riff on the fact that people used to say that to get away from a Dalek you just had to climb some stairs because they are on wheels. This doesn’t really work anymore because Daleks can now fly.

CarbonNeutral · 12/07/2023 09:04

25sheets · 12/07/2023 08:57

what does he mean saying TERFs can't climb stairs?

To be fair to David ( if I must 🙄) he didn't say that, it was posted by a parody David Tennant account on twitter.

Shamefulsecrets0 · 12/07/2023 09:06

Sex is a biological construct, you can't change your DNA so no you can't your sex, gender is a social construct though. Gender is how someone presents themselves and that can be changed. I don't agree with medicating children - and certainly not without indepth evaluations and assessments and multiple doctors agreeing that it's the right course of action for that individual - but I've seen the abuse that many of these children face. And not from their peers who are generally pretty accepting, but from adults who should know better.

Some of the things said to children - who are confused, and scared, and hurting and in need of major support - are disgusting. There isn't any funding for mental health support in this country, CAMHS are absolutely diabolical and just tell suicidal children to have a cup of tea and a bath. Waiting lists are ridiculously long. There needs to be more support available, but there also needs to be recognition that some children do feel this way and forcing those children to ignore it and telling they're wrong for feeling that way isn't going to help them. I don't know what the answer is, but the vitriol aimed at some of these children (and anyone who is transgender, or even believes that transgender people are still human in some cases!) Is not the answer.

RealityFan · 12/07/2023 09:08

My mind keeps returning to Helen Joyce's final words with Peter Boghossian. The elites are so dug in, so deep, that their collective sunk costs are too extortionate to come back from this. Actors must be in the greatest herd mentalities of the lot, their whole profession is fakery, they're fakes and surrounded by other fakes saying fake things.

Just put this T-shirt and extrovert mission statement as just more acting and fakery par excellence.

I remember the South Park boys interviewed when they made Team America and why they loved animation over live action, and they said they'd rather be dead than have to deal with actors, so brain dead, egotistical and artificial were that lot, that they couldn't bear to be around them.

CorruptedCauldron · 12/07/2023 09:11

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