“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!” Speech at Trans Pride London 8 July 2023

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Sarah Jane Baker, on the Trans Pride stage, saying

“If you see a TERF, punch them in the fucking face!”

to a cheering crowd :)

https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

NB to MNHQ the video shows this being said. It is not just an allegation being shared.

To be fair to Cathy, she definitely passes.

Stephen Glover mentions th8s in the DM but really as a lead in to urging the Tories to be a bit more outspoken and to use this as an issue in the next election

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12292929/STEPHEN-GLOVER-culture-war-raging-Tories-launch-battleship.html

Yes. It’s the long hair. All women have long hair.

We all have long hair and we like to flick it over our shoulders all the livelong day.

The (rather improbable) slant the Mail put on it is that Starmer is captive to the wishes of evil left-wingers in the Party (seems unlikely, considering how Corbyn was eviscerated); they have gleefully painted woman-pesterer Russell Wotsit as a Corbynite , which he is. But the sad truth seems to me to be that in the Labour Party, it doesn't matter whether you're a Corbynite or a Starmerite or a Blairite, they pretty much all toe the line on TRA support. Is there anyone else who stands with Rosie Duffield? The cowardice of the Labour Party is disgraceful. Maybe they think it won't matter at the ballot-box, whilst they enjoy their poll leads? I still won't vote Tory, though!

Is there anyone else who stands with Rosie Duffield?

Tonia Antoniazzi has spoken up. That might be it though.

"Is there anyone else who stands with Rosie Duffield?"

Tonia Antoniazzi has spoken up. That might be it though.

If people are banking on Labour well..

I’d think about reality after next GE

Not banking on Labour at all, just disappointed. Not least in my own MP. But I shan't be voting for the party of Mad Nads, Boris Fucking Johnson and Brexit in a million years!

Thanks, @Signalbox .

The immediate and urgent need is to get the Tories out. The UK cannot withstand another Tory government, as it is they’ve damaged us almost irrevocably, and why would anyone vote for the party that made the mess to fix the mess?

One thought that's been striking me a lot over the past few months is that Labour can only get away with so ostentatiously avoiding the issue because they're not in power nationally. A labour goverment would have to come clear on the issue, or else they might implode. It would force the debate.

Yes, but the alternative parties don't believe in reality.

I mean, it's bad enough not believing in equality for women, safeguarding, homosexuality, school indoctrination, totalinarianism, witchburning and thought policing, but I cannot vote for a party that can just not face or handle reality and shouts at you to believe in their own personal version. Someone stuck there needs therapy, they shouldn't be running anything, never mind a country and economy.

I won't be voting FOR anything at this point - there is absolutely nothing on offer that I want. What I'm driven to is voting AGAINST the utterly bloody dangerously insane as opposed to the bloody awful but marginally with a grip alternative. While praying that new blood and a new party appears.

Labour have a few months to turn this around, as the Tories could hold out until December 2024 before calling a GE. Events over the last 6-8 months have been very bad for the trans rights activists, they’ve lost every case they’ve brought, “Isla Bryson” horrified everyone who heard the story, and it’s entirely legal to voice gender critical beliefs. Musk’s Twitter is a very different place compared with the oppressive GC silencing policy before he took over (he’s still a giant pranny who broke the thing he bought that he didn’t understand). And women’s sport is really highlighting the issues.

The TRAs have lost control of the narrative, and the snowball will soon be an avalanche. Labour is led by focus group, along with all the main parties, women’s rights cannot be ignored for much longer. Starmer needs to revise his answer for “what is a woman” because he failed that test last time and it WILL be asked again. And again and again.

Me too

I’ll consider Labour if and when they ever boot out this dangerous ideology

People will have to make their own decisions though

Actually labour under Corbyn was pro Brexit. He had to be sat on not to actually publicly support Brexit. For some reason I don’t understand Marxists were proBrexit and it is well known that Corbyn is a Marxist

If Labour wasn’t chasing the Brexit voter anyway I’d find it a harder decision

As it is I can’t see they’ll do much with the funds they’ll have, some policies are bad and the gender stuff seals it

I dread them getting in. I think people envisage big change I don’t see it happening the funding reality will bite just as hard.

Left-wing Brexiters - “Lexiters” - believe(d) that being a member of the EU would prevent us ever having a socialist government, because evil capitalist organisation, y’know.

But 75% of Labour members and voters were Remainers.

It’s not so much about Lexiters more that Labour have stated position on CU and SM already.

If they hadn’t I could see how they might get more ££

There are about 8 out Labour Gender crit MPs apparently there are many more who back gender crit ideas privately but not publicly. Rosie said there were about 50 MPs i.e 20% of the PLP on her side, most women Labour MPs back her right to speak even if they disagree with her. The majority of Labour MPs do not ever want to talk about this issue at all and try to do a Starmer middle of the road thing. The active TRA side is not that big really 20 to 40 MPs will go out of their way to talk about it when they can, those sympathetic but not fanatical I guess are another 50 odd, but with the lobby groups esp unions there is a lot of power.

The issue for Labour is local parties have gender crit elements and TRA supporters the party is divided. I think this is why Starmer is trying to find middle ground so desperately he knows his own cabinet and local parties do not agree about this and it is a weak spot. Obviously the Tories will exploit it. However the Lib Dems and Greens will attack Labour from a more devoted TRA position. Add to that in Scotland Labour will have to tread around gender issues in the battle against the SNP.

Labour is gearing up to write the manifesto for the 2024 General election over this year sparks will fly however they word their gender positions. Labour are going to be more vulnerable to pressure than ever so everyone keep pushing them.

The medical scandal is only going to grow. The TRA side are running out of time.

As for Khan the Tory Candidate for Mayor in the 2024 is being announced next week. Susan Hall one lead Tory candidate is not enamoured of gender stuff at all.

"Oh for goodness sake! Stop this complete and utter madness. How offensive to women can you get? We have had enough and I shall be speaking up against this. I shall be standing up for women’s rights."
https://twitter.com/Councillorsuzie/status/1678332566615515137

The other candidate Mozammel Hossain positions I am not sure about.

Hall vs Khan however would definitely see some fights over women's rights though. It is an obvious weak spot.

I hope @MavisMcMinty and @fromorbit are right, and Labour can be dragged, kicking and screaming, to a more sensible position. At least one thing Starmer has shown already, he's prepared to turn with the wind; after all, he started out as the 'continuity Corbyn' candidate! And it's clear which direction 'events, dear boy' are pushing him. And I agree that as time goes on, the even more pro-TRA positions adopted by the LibDems and Greens (and the SDP and Plaid?) will surely start to hurt them at the ballot box. But still so disappointed by the cowardice of the Lab front bench.

The one thing that “peaked” me most - and also my sister, who I lent it to - was Hannah Barnes’ book Time to Think. I hope all MPs have read it, it couldn’t be more devastating about the transitioning of children.

Starmer will go with the people aren’t talking about it line

Maybe if the local elections hadn’t bolstered Labour they’d look at it more. Otherwise they’re hoping for radio silence

Look at Drakeford misogyny to the female MP asking about this, that was right after the local elections

Well I voted Labour in the locals; I was voting for decent local people I know personally. But I shan't vote Labour in a GE unless the national policies change.

The late Tony Benn never wanted us in the EEC. Left-wingers generally viewed the EU as a cartel, in hock to corporate lobbyists.

Welsh Labour in the Senedd are terrible agreed.

Starmer is not Drakeford however remember he refused to be too keen on trans issues in the leadership contest unlike Nandy or Rebecca Long Bailey. That was when he was promising a lot of stuff in other areas.

More to the point Rachel Reeves is Chancellor and Reeves is definitely not that keen on gender stuff and she has the money.

However at the end of the day Starmer's position may shift depending on public mood so I agree with the radio silence point. That frankly is down to gender crits. If we cause a hell lot of fuss locally in every constituency in the next year then it will filter up eventually. It isn't enough just to have KJK standing against Starmer, and the Daily Mail saying things, we need to make this an issue everywhere. Start hassling Labour and every other candidate now and use local examples as much as possible.