'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'

[Littlesprouts]

Saw an interesting vacancy with a big city council so had a nose at the application form.

A very muddled EDI section led to this word salad of an attempt to establish who might be doing the applying. The drop down options are completely baffling. Surely there has to be an easier way? It's put me right off.

Completely agree, but why should I deny trans men exist as a result?

Because they're not actually men? Hence their female bodies and female bodily functions. But you do you, I'm not telling you what to do?

We clearly differ then, as you only feel female due to the body you have.
I do too but there's more to it for me, it's not just what my body does or doesn't do.
It's a factor, but that's not all it is. I know from experience you just don't or can't understand though.

I do too but there's more to it for me, it's not just what my body does or doesn't do.

It's a factor, but that's not all it is. I know from experience you just don't or can't understand though.

It's not just my inability to understand Bodger, it's that you've never been able to articulate it, and nor has anyone else, so I don't think woman essence is actually a thing.

so I don't think woman essence is actually a thing
Ok, do you then, why can you not understand for others it is different though?
I'm.not just what my body does, .i find it more harmful to reduce women to their biology and body parts

Completely agree, but why should I deny trans men exist as a result?

I don't believe in God. Do you think this means that I don't believe Christians, Muslims, Jews and other monotheists exist? 🤔

I accept that there are some women who would rather for various reasons, be perceived as men. I don't have to agree with them that having their hair cut short, sporting facial hair, mowing the grass and not wearing makeup, dresses, skirts, high heels or handbags, makes them a man. Not least because all those things are true of me too and they don't make me any less female.

Disagreeing with people about beliefs they hold sincerely doesn't mean that I think they don't exist or that they shouldn't have the right to hold their beliefs. I am not going to walk into their churches/synagogues/mosques and shout that God doesn't exist.

But equally, I'm not going to confess my sins to a priest, fast for Yom Kippur or pray facing Mecca to make religious people feel validated.

I do not need to partake in other people's religions. People who force their religious beliefs upon others are insecure and illiberal extremists.

I can still respect people who sincerely believe things I don't. We can disagree.

I'm.not just what my body does, .i find it more harmful to reduce women to their biology and body parts

In which case, you'll be able to articulate what being a woman feels like inside that isn't anything to do with biology. Otherwise it just sounds nonsensical 🤷‍♀️

I don't have to agree with them that having their hair cut short, sporting facial hair, mowing the grass and not wearing makeup, dresses, skirts, high heels or handbags, makes them a man. Not least because all those things are true of me too and they don't make me any less female.
I agree there too, facial hair has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity Women can have facial hair too.
Likewise,length of hair or whether you like handbags or not doesn't refer to femininity

What if you were given a gender not at birth, but at a 'gender reveal' party in utero.
And how very dare your parents assume what your innate special gender identity was.

Of course your body parts and functions aren't all you are as a human being but they are the only reason you are female and classified as a woman. On top of that we have personalities, temperaments, experiences, different primary and secondary socialisation, career experiences, cultures, tastes in art, politics etc that make us whole human beings.

Whether we are men or women very much is just biology and that biology and the potential experiences it endows us with is the only thing that all women across time and space have in common.

This doesn't reduce YOU, a person, to your body parts or functions. It is the reality of your sex not your whole self.

Do people really not see this is what women are saying? Do they really believe women are saying that the only thing that matters about us as humans is our biology?

I can't believe that but the alternative is that all these people really are deliberately, intentionally, consistently twisting the words of women in service to an agenda to prevent us from being able to assert and maintain our boundaries and those of children. Including other women. And that is a pretty dark alternative. Way darker than worrying about whether the human IQ is tanking or the world's gone mad.

That sounds like an ideal question to do a strike through and a N/A.

Well, you are wrong.

We class humans as male or female because on average, the developments that make males male, also increase the risks to women.

And where itatters, it really matters.

Wear what you want, but males are a risk to females. And so we have safeguards and mitigations to try and reduce the risk.

Until males found a new and improved way of getting round them.

No male who isn't a risk to women is trying to get into female spaces.

“I can't believe that but the alternative is that all these people really are deliberately, intentionally, consistently twisting the words of women in service to an agenda to prevent us from being able to assert and maintain our boundaries and those of children. Including other women. And that is a pretty dark alternative. Way darker than worrying about whether the human IQ is tanking or the world's gone mad.”

It’s part of a playbook, and its purpose is to discredit women who point out that only female humans (who’ve reached adulthood) can be women and only female humans (who are still children) can be girls. The In Bad Faith posters do this by reinterpreting and misrepresenting what women are saying when women say that it’s being female which makes a woman a woman. They take “only women and girls can become pregnant” for example and reinterpret / misrepresent that as “the only reason women exist, and the only thing women should be permitted to do is become pregnant”. Only a short step from that misrepresentation to accusing women who don’t tell lies about biology of being religious extremists/ far right / rolling back women’s rights etc.

I do believe it was.

Does the gender you live in come with a bonus hole? Is that something like a utility room?

Well then you wouldn't know they were "women", would you... Presumably they would still feel like women as it's all in the brain apparently, but it seems that's not enough and they need acknowledgement from other people that they are women.

It's actually important to do just that. 'Woman' is just biology. Once we accept that, we can start to accept that women can actually be who they want and do not have to conform to stereotypes. If it's not just biology then what on earth is it which is not highly restrictive? It makes as much sense to reduce 'woman' to biology as it does to reduce 'human' to biology.

This sort of language is really unhelpful. Of course they exist. But they're not men. Saying someone is not a man is not saying they don't exist. Saying a donkey is not a zebra does not mean you're saying the donkey does not exist. What do you even mean by 'exist' in this statement?

so I don't think woman essence is actually a thing

This woman essence - is it something we ooze to show we're women or is it like the four humours and resides within our bodies?

Quite.

No one is saying that individuals who self-describe as a member of the opposite sex don’t exist. What people who don’t tell lies about biology are saying is that: self-describing as a member of the opposite sex doesn’t make a person an actual member of the opposite sex.

Repeatedly misrepresenting what people who don’t tell lies about biology think and say is part of the campaign strategy.

I think we'd all like a tenner for every time some bloke in a skirt has screamed that we were denying his existence.

I have excellent literacy skills and, even if I bought in to the gender woo, do not know how a trans person should answer.

The options "No - male" and "No - female" are not at all clear. Does the male/female refer to your sex (or the gender you were given at birth 🙄) or the "gender" you are "living in"?

Obviously it should be referring to your sex as male/female are sex, rather than gender , descriptors but the terms are frequently misused to refer to gender so impossible to know

So you have a personality then. Good oh.

Absolutely. And again surely this must be DELIBERATE false representation and do they not see that the whole world is seeing through it now?

Saying - I don't agree with your religion/ideology/pseudo scientific view of reality clearly does not mean I don't think you exist or I'm trying to 'genocide' you. Nor are words literal violence.

No one including, thank god, the courts are buying this shit anymore. Give it up.

Even if institutions were still captured (many are) and corporations were still pandering (hello bud and nike) and the internet still largely operated as a censor the real world with real people not trying to win points with stonewall or whatever other social credit system is at play in the country of operations do exist and are clearly saying no. People have been brave enough to stand out and be individuals saying, no and have been backed up by legal judgements. Lesbians, gays and bisexuals in increasing numbers are saying no.

No one buys this shit - it doesn't mean they want to exterminate you or deprive you of basic human rights they're just saying no to your agenda being placed above women's rights, children's rights, freedom of speech and religion, the neutrality of public services and accepting violent threats and actions and intimidation as legitimate in a democratic society.

The fact of continued tantrums and threats and gaslighting and hyperbole in the face of that mass, polite but clear, 'no' just emphasises what we are saying no to and why.