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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'

141 replies

Littlesprouts · 08/07/2023 08:04

Saw an interesting vacancy with a big city council so had a nose at the application form.

A very muddled EDI section led to this word salad of an attempt to establish who might be doing the applying. The drop down options are completely baffling. Surely there has to be an easier way? It's put me right off.

'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'
'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'
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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/07/2023 08:51

loislovesstewie · 08/07/2023 08:49

Could we stop the world? I want to get off! Seriously why are we putting up with this stuff? I've just been reading about banks shutting down customers accounts if they have views that don't match such things as gender woo, I mean just be a bank ,keep my money safe, pay my direct debits and offer assistance when/if I need it.

That's all I require of a bank. I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinions, I don't need banks, of all things, to be my moral arbiter.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 08/07/2023 08:57

On a few NHS forms & the one for my dentist, I’ve had the question about sex, not gender. Some of them even specified that it had to be ‘sex at birth’. So that was refreshing.

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 08:58

kweeble · 08/07/2023 08:40

It’s awful - it forces gender critical people to either comply with their woo gender religion or not apply for jobs.
My hospital HR forced me to do the same - I am now on their systems as female gender with no sex recorded - so no recourse to the Equality Act as their records are incomplete.

That's a bloody good point! Would that really hold water though? Your sex is immutable and a protected characteristic whatever their fictitious recording says surely?

As to the blood donation stuff there was a man recently who'd given blood for decades turned away because he refused to answer the question of whether he was pregnant on the basis that it was utterly ridiculous.

And yes! The majority of teenagers I know (and I'm a teacher as well as a parent) think this is all utter madness and piss taking ripe and a form of attention seeking.

Gateappreciation · 08/07/2023 08:59

i’m wearing blue but also a bra - so which gender ‘am I living in’

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 08:59

Not as in taking the piss out of trans identified people themselves just of the whole ideology and the people claiming identities like 'pansexual' when they haven't even kissed anyone yet.

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 08:59

Sorry - I meant to say poly not pansexual.

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 09:00

Gateappreciation · 08/07/2023 08:59

i’m wearing blue but also a bra - so which gender ‘am I living in’

If you're also sporting a beard and lipstick you're probably a woman.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/07/2023 09:01

Plenty of people seem to be living in an agenda, though.

00100001 · 08/07/2023 09:06

Gateappreciation · 08/07/2023 08:59

i’m wearing blue but also a bra - so which gender ‘am I living in’

You're very obviously NB

AlisonDonut · 08/07/2023 09:07

People absolutely have to push back against this and ask them 'what do you mean' and 'why do you need this information' and 'what are you going to do with this information once you have it'.

They don't know what they mean, they don't need it and they won't do anything with it, because it is meaningless.

CuriouslyDifferent · 08/07/2023 09:13

I wasn’t given a gender at birth.

An expert in such matters, assessed my physical characteristics and documented them as a sex - on my birth certificate, and for their own records no doubt.

I believe I was given a gender when my chromosone mix was determined, which pre dates that point. I can’t say when, I’m not a scientist and I was too young to remember.

And the only thing I live in, is a house, a town, a country, but on a planet, in a solar system, in a spiral galaxy in a universe.

I suspect the lobby advocating for such questions might have other ideas about what I live “in” but to the best of my knowledge, the above is as true statement.

I do not understand how one can live in a “state of being male or female”…. It’s like asking a Russian who has never left Russia, if they identify as American. They haven’t been there, they only know what they’ve seen on tv or heard second hand accounts of, they might empathise with the plight of poverty there or be envious if the wealth that some have, but they cannot possibly ever know what it is to be American. Even if they move there and get Citizenship, they might have an improved idea of what it is to be American, but they won’t have grown up there, they will have missed out on many formative experiences that take a lifetime to and there’s every possibility they may return to Russia or head somewhere else. I would suspect that most Russians who have spent more than half their life in America, would continue to believe they remain Russian. I accept people are more complex than animals (maybe) but taking a Russian animal and releasing it in the American countryside, doesn’t make it American, just as animals have no issues about biological sex and just get on with living.

Ultimately, i would not apply to work for an organisation that insisting on asking me an impossible question to answer like that, and one clearly designed to figure out on which side of an ever changing ideology I am likely to be aparty to. I’ve learnt to keep my personal politics out of the workplace.

RubyTrees · 08/07/2023 09:18

AlisonDonut · 08/07/2023 09:07

People absolutely have to push back against this and ask them 'what do you mean' and 'why do you need this information' and 'what are you going to do with this information once you have it'.

They don't know what they mean, they don't need it and they won't do anything with it, because it is meaningless.

Absolutely this.

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 09:18

Saying all of the post above would be a great response on the phone - guessing the fields on internet forms wouldn't allow enough characters for my real response though.

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 09:19

What do you identify as? A sentient, reality aligned human being. You?

Oblomov23 · 08/07/2023 09:20

'Living in a gender'. FFS.

SinnerBoy · 08/07/2023 09:21

I haven't got anything to contribute; I just agree with everything everyone has posted so far.

RubyTrees · 08/07/2023 09:27

If you really wanted to apply you could always choose the hardcopy option and leave the gender bollocks question blank.

nettie434 · 08/07/2023 09:31

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/07/2023 08:41

I’m laughing at asking a man if he could be pregnant

Got that when I had my covid jab (67 at the time). I looked at the nurse and said 'I'm 67, what do YOU think?' and she snapped that she had to ask. Surely when they're filling in the forms it's not beyond their IT to exclude that question based on the age being input?

I was asked that too. To be fair, the person did apologise and prefaced the question with 'I've got to ask everyone this'.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/07/2023 09:34

nettie434 · 08/07/2023 09:31

I was asked that too. To be fair, the person did apologise and prefaced the question with 'I've got to ask everyone this'.

I did have some sympathy because a) she probably knew it was a stupid question and b) I was probably the 100th person that day to give her the raised eyebrow and the 'wtf, are you serious?' look.

pinklama · 08/07/2023 09:37

This has got completely out of hand. Banks are for banking - they should not be getting involved in anyone's gender. Same with employers - gender should be left at the door and should provide single sex spaces.

The same way women are vilified, called TERFS and receive death threats for challenging any trans person should be the same for men. If a trans woman uses male facilities and experiences an 'uncomfortable incident' - welcome to womanhood. We have had to deal with this shit for a long time.

literalviolence · 08/07/2023 09:39

I live in a house and it was hellish to raise the money to buy. Why did no-one give me a gender at birth so I can live in that? Sounds much easier though I'm not sure how big they are.

WeWereInParis · 08/07/2023 09:39

I don't even know what the answers mean for trans people, and what the council would take from each answer.

"No - female" is that what a transman would tick? Or a transwoman? Because, to use the council's language (not mine!), the transman was "assigned female at birth" but presumably the transwoman views themselves as female now. Which answer would a transwoman or transman tick? Regardless of ideology, this is surely just a crap question all round.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 08/07/2023 09:42

Given by whom?

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 09:44

literalviolence · 08/07/2023 09:39

I live in a house and it was hellish to raise the money to buy. Why did no-one give me a gender at birth so I can live in that? Sounds much easier though I'm not sure how big they are.

I'm still renting. Are these genders still free or heavily subsidised? It would save me a fortune.

I actually feel sorry for the people asking these questions. I want to say I am not part of the religion you're referring to and refuse to participate in it's rituals BUT on the other end of the phone there'll be some minimum wage person whose computer won't allow her to proceed without putting something in the box.

70sTomboy · 08/07/2023 10:01

Jeeze...in the future, I hope there are studies into the collective madness and stupidity. How has this stuff ever gained traction? I know they say IQ levels are lowering, but this is ridiculous. All the individuals I know who spout this stuff admit to mental health issues. Why on earth are we not dealing with the mental health crisis fueling this rubbish. It can not be money, this rubbish will be costly too.