WTF is "body-feeding"?

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https://www.vogue.com/article/lgbtq-fertility-industry?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

Is it the same as chest-feeding? Who knows? Actually, maybe I don't want to know!

It's not an official medical organisation calling it body feeding. It's a trans person talking about their experience using language they feel comfortable with.
Personally I prefer to use the term breastfeeding and so does the nhs. I can't figure out what your problem is.

If you are breastfeeding your child you should should be comfortable calling it breastfeeding.

Sorry, I started to read the article and gave up when I got to the gay threesome who had a baby with donated embryos.

I couldn’t get beyond the use of “he” beneath the photo to refer to the woman in labour. Assuming she really is in labour and it’s not a man pretending to be in labour 🤷‍♀️

Ignoring the rest of it, complaining about a minority being "left out" of a "mainstream narrative" is oxymoronic.

It's just a pompous way of complaining you're not getting enough attention.

Oh, it's because you've stumbled upon the self righteous, hideously transphobic side of mumsnet where women sit about on their devices sneering at trans people, scoffing at pronouns and think they're terribly clever and feminist for deliberately using the opposite to what that person has chosen for themselves. Often you can find lots of threads where they all sit here wailing collectively about gender-neutral toilets and boycotting supermarkets because the manager has the pronouns in their signature. Don't expect to get any sort of rational discussion on this thread.

I try to make it a rule with these language swaps to think a bit like a lawyer about them. You know, “what else does the inclusive term include?”

So for example, “reproductive rights” now include the right for men to buy women’s bodies or even have the state do it for them.

Likewise, advocacy for “sex workers” now includes advocacy for pimps.

I suggest not applying this rule to “body feeding.”

You do you and I'll do me. I breast fed my DD. She drew milk from my breasts; not my ear, nose, finger or any other fucking part of my body.

Body feeding FFS!

Are they saying they breast fed from their ears, or their fingers? what difference does it make to you what someone else says, can't imagine getting that excited about it to be honest. All of these threads just come across as loads of women just being hateful to be honest. the language everyone uses is so sneery and derisive, it's really unpleasant. Sounds like hate speak really. I'm so, so glad that the majority of young people coming up now are not like this and that soon all this trash talking will be irrelevant.

Breastfeeding is a natural thing a woman can do for her baby. A woman does not have a chest so cannot chestfeed nor can a woman feed from any part of her body so cannot bodyfeed. Breastfeeding is what we can do. We women. Women who are the only ones who can get pregnant and have babies.

What a load of shite. And what a load of shite spewed by @WhatWouldKimDealDo. Women have babies. Women have breasts. Women breastfeed. Words are important. Body feeding does not explain how babies get milk from female bodies. Breastfeeding does. Facts are important. Reality is important.

How can the term breastfeeding be dysphoric, but the act not be? That’s some serious thought contortion going on there.

I'm not convinced that's how it's going to play out actually.

Most of the men who initiated this culture change are in their 70s now. A few of the people who set the original legal precedent whilst same sex marriage was illegal are dead now. As is the world that those homophobic men who needed to marry men "as a woman" were in. The world moved on but these men haven't.

It's all passed you by though and you are sucked into their profoundly sexist legacy of a time long gone without even realising it.

Having worked with that generation for many years I know what they are like and it's definitely not feminist!

Yeah we are a bit sneery about it, because we have a lot of years of experience with the men who set this all up and know what they are like, and they deserve a bit of sneering for the dumb number they have pulled.

Caitlyn Jenner, eh? Yes he's a feminist isn't he. Young people must admire that old man, no?
Hahaha.

Perhaps it’s addictive - talking and believing nonsense. They probably get a thrill out of their nonsense being witnessed.

Why can't transmen "breast feed" like every other woman.
Men have breasts anyway. It's not "unmanly" to just call it what it is.

First of all, it's the TQ+ who are obsessed with language. You're the one insisting people labelled other than men get women pregnant/are the dads, and people labelled other than men get pregnant/give birth/are the mums. Ditto anger on misgendering. I'd say those are your issues on language.

And it's preposterous to think a majority of young people are good with this. You're way too blasé on that.

How dumb do you want to be? We breathe through our noses; eat and drink though our mouths; hear though our ears; shit through our arses and feed our babies through our breasts. It ain't a whole body activity.

Not watched the video but the phrase ‘body-feeding’ sounds like some sort of Zombie Apocalypse.

Oh right. So from what I work out, the logic on this thread has nothing to do with women's rights. It's just 'yuk, someone thinks differently to me so let's slag them off'.
...I get the issues around women only spaces, I get the problems with women only sports. But the vitriol spouted just because someone has a different lifestyle is cruel, bigoted, sad, selfish, narrow minded and shows a complete lack critical thinking. You should be ashamed. I'm ashamed for you.

Oh eww

You don't have to be ashamed for us. You might want to try and find out why women are reacting so strongly to the language used to decirbe a uniquely female experience. There is a reason for it, you know. Women see that it starts with one person calling it body or chest feeding, then demanding other refer to it around them as body or chest feeding as not to trigger them, then organisations for breastfeeding deciding it is better to just relabel it body or chestfeeding for all female people so not to trigger the 1 person who does not want breastfeeding to be referred to as breastfeeding.

And this is happening and no, it is not an overreaction and yes, even things you see as little are important to others and yes, it is another sign women and female experiences are being removed from the English language and yes, this does have a profound impact on women and no, not all young people are not on board with this.

Oh and why is breastfeeding chestfeeding when a woman does it but breastfeeding when a man takes a dangerous combination of drugs to enforce the idea he is a woman?

@forkshoo its not that simple. At one stage all women were called people who get pregnant because of a vanishingly small minority who got offended by the word (but somehow not the actual process of becoming a mother).

If we let the language slide we lose the ability to be able to describe our identities: as women, adult human females, some of whom menstruate, get pregnant, breastfeed and have babies.

The whole argument is moot anyway because men have breasts too ffs.

You're making completely unfounded leaps in your logic. Just because someone calls it bodyfeeding, it doesn't mean they want all women to call it that.
Language is of course important when we talk about law - ie, what makes a women.
But someone calling breastfeeding something else doesn't impact anyone's life, or view of breastfeeding, or experience of womenhood if a very small minority of people call it something else. Get a grip.
And before you start banging on about the nhs removing the word 'woman' and 'breastfeeding' from their website - that has now stopped. So there is no need to keep bullying trans people.
It's such as shame that the issues which really did impact women's rights (and should be rightly addressed) has led to a whole load of people down the garden path of being really bigoted about a trans people as a whole.
Check yourself and your belief system. Meet and talk to trans people in real life. And if you don't agree with them, it doesn't mean you should bully them.
It's like taking a genuine concern and extrapolating it out; for example 'immigrants are going to steal jobs therefore all immigrants are bad', 'Islamic terrorists are Muslim therefore I hate all Muslims', 'some trans women are rapists therefore all trans people are perverts' or 'some trans people regret transitioning therefore all must and they're obviously just gay instead'. It's really reductive and unhelpful.

The language matters because women's bodies are a site of political struggle. From a young young age we are told breasts are for sex, and for men to enjoy. But they're not. They're for feeding our babies. That is literally the only reason we have them.

For centuries and across the entire world women have been oppressed because our bodies can gestate, birth and feed babies. If we use language that implies any body can do this, not just a female body, we are denying or obscuring the root of female oppression.

Women on this board saw what happened when society started using 'gender' to describe what is actually 'sex'. The water gets muddied. Language.matters.

Yes, I agree. Language matters. Of course it does.
But you also can't police what words other people use for whatever they want. That's mad!