Should threads be moved out of here as well as in?

[TeenDivided]

Just musing really.

We have threads moved into this board if monitors / MN think they are about sex & gender.

But we have recently had the Disney thread, which wasn't really about sex and gender but a wider issue, being used to say that FWR is racist and needs an even closer eye on it. We now have the great awakening thread which is only about sex and gender tangentially and more about conspiracy theory placed on this board.

Should the FWR users be actively reporting non sex&gender threads requesting they be moved out to somewhere more appropriate?

Critical Race Theory has no problem with gross generalisations about race, does it? It also posits that nobody should speak or critique anything if a 'person of colour' has spoken.

The points that FWR regulars are making in this thread are that:

• the Disney thread and a couple of others have/had nothing to do with women’s rights and therefore there was no reason to post them in FWR;
• there are groups who want to get FWR closed down;
• there have been plenty of examples over the years of In Bad Faith posters starting goady or unpleasant threads / making goady or unpleasant posts in FWR and then swiftly screenshotting them for twitter as ‘evidence’ before the FWR regulars can report the inappropriate posts/ threads and MNHQ can delete them;
• the recent appearance of these “not about women’s rights” threads on FWR raises suspicions that what we are seeing is a new variation on the previous In Bad Faith posters’ attempts to undermine discussions here;
• no one knows who anyone is on the internet, including whether the posters they are interacting with are human / genuine / trolls / chatbots.

I didn’t contribute to the Disney thread as, to me, it had the hallmarks of a goady thread, that would usually find a home in aibu, right from the outset.

I completely agree with you about posts being in the right place. I can only assume the poster associates ‘woke’ with FWR hence why they thought it the appropriate place to post.

The annecy post however (as I explained on the other thread) had comments very much along the lines of ‘people from these countries hold views that are anti-women’ with a dash of Islamophobia (even though he man was Christian, and even though many Muslims do not hold such antiquated views).

i also participate in some FWR threads, I consider myself to be GC, but the racism does not belong here.

@BodegaSushi I've seen the annecy post mentioned a few times. I've had a lot of other stuff going on lately so I've missed more threads than I've been on. Does this still exist? Have a different name? As I can't find anything.

(I'm not asking you to dissect it or anything just trying to find it)

I think the Annecy thread referred to must be about the toddlers and adults stabbed in the park by the man who had moved from Norway or Sweden, leaving behind his wife, and wanted to claim asylum in France but was being refused because he’d been living in Scandinavia for several years.

I don’t remember reading the threads, and have no idea what title they might have had.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/intheenews/4823326-4-young-children-stabbed-in-annecy?reply=126748541&utmcampaign=thread&utmmmedium=share

This link takes you to a post on the thread where the poster lists crimes specifically committed by people of the same 'cultural/religious' group, while ignoring the ones listed that were committed by white people.

Thanks I'll go take a look,

@Boiledbeetle and you'll be able to see by scrolling the number of comments deleted for their outright racism.

I hadn't seen the Annecy thread before and I've not read it yet - I will do, thanks - but looking at that link, it appears to have been started on the 'In the News' board. Is that correct or have I missed something?

Does anyone know the history? Was it moved to Feminism S&G and if so, what was the reason?

Must’ve been moved. I hadn’t noticed it had changed.

Was it started in S&G and moved to In the news? Or was it the other way round?
I'm not specifically asking you Bodega but does anyone know?

I'm asking not to nitpick but because I think this thread is all about threads being posted on inappropriate boards so I think the history of this particular thread is very relevant.

😳bloody hell that was a shit show of a thread. I think I can guess what the deleted posts probably said!

Those poor women and children.

I have been through the whole of the Annecy thread. Very distressing, a lot of ignorance on display, and that's without knowing what the deleted posts said.

But can I ask, what does the thread have to do with the Feminism Sex and Gender board?
The link says the thread is from 'In the news'
It is located on the 'News' board.
I can see no discussion or analysis on the thread that comes from a feminist angle.
I don't recognise the vast majority of posters (although admittedly anyone can name change).
And for what it's worth - because obviously I don't see every thread - I can't remember seeing it on this board.

In short I can see no indication that it originated on Feminism S&G or was moved to S&G. If it was, I would like to know why as I can see absolutely no reason for doing so.

So why is it being used as an example of racism on the Feminism S&G board?
Is it a mistake? Did you mean to link a different thread?

I think it might be because women are responsible for what men do. So it must be FWR's fault.

I'm so sick of this shit.

I an fairly certain it was never on this board. Nothing gets moved from here unless requested.

Or deleted. Much more innocuous threads get deleted from here.

When you make a serious allegation about racism directed at others, it's important that it's accurate. Sadly there seem to be a number of recent fake allegations being made against this board which does nobody any good.

The language/content of the Annecy doesn't fit FWR. Over 10 years lurking/posting on here, knowledgeable posters would have robustly challenged the overt as well as covert racism.

Can anyone confirm if that was ever on this board?

I also referenced other racist threads that have popped up in FWR recently.

I think you're being over sensitive, I've never seen any racism in FWR, quite the opposite in fact.

I have been on a number of threads where the issue is about a specific ethnic minority or the shared experience of Black women and the tone is very different from other threads.

And this isn't something happening over the past few weeks, or whatever this conspiracy theory that is being talked up.

It happened on the thread about Tori Bowie and other threads about worse outcomes from during child birth. It happened on the thread about the child abuse and allegations that child abuse gangs are always men from minority ethnic communities. It happened on the thread about Ngozi Fulani and the Buckingham Palace incident and the one about Diane Abbott.

I cant think how anyone has missed this.

re the Disney thread which like others I hadn't bothered with, but have now because of this thread, what i cant understand is why anyone responsed.

Maybe the films did fail (I dont know) but maybe they were crap. There was no evidence that it was anything to do with having main characters not be steriotypical WASPs. And after all go woke get rich could for instance have been a thread about Bridgeton (oops, dont know how to spell that).

As other have said, surely the best thing if you think someone is posting in bad faith, is just dont join in. Let if fizzle out.

If they are clickbaity people will comment without looking at the origin.

I read the Tori Bowie thread, it wandered a bit, but it was a discussion about the poor healthcare black pregnant woman recieve. This is a good thing.
I sometimes feel that white women are considered racist by even commenting on these type of threads. But if we stay quiet and let the thread die, we are worse surely?
This board is for all women and none of us should be silenced because we are the wrong colour.
That's a dangerous path.

When you say 'it happened' what is 'it'?

I read the Tori Bowie thread, it wandered a bit, but it was a discussion about the poor healthcare black pregnant woman recieve.

I think someone posting a comment saying women from BME communities were more likely to be over weight and not look after their health, and saying there was no issue about different levels of care is a bit of an eye opener.