Here are 6 reasons why we need a truly queer environmental movement

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LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

Queerness offers a much-needed fresh perspective.

Being a queer environmental movement means standing alongside feminism, and any efforts to dismantle the patriarchy and redefine these roles.

“Queer ecology” is about seeing with new eyes, challenging the biases we bring to nature and redefining what we see as “natural”.

Governments, corporate and economic globalisation, science and technology – are all shaped by the cultural norms of the white, wealthy, western, non-disabled, male, cisgender and heterosexual.

Many queer people have forged strong connections with our own communities and networks. We have the experience of mobilising people as we fight for justice, standing in solidarity with others.

https://friendsoftheearth.uk/system-change/six-reasons-why-im-calling-queer-climate-movement

Just in case you thought queer politics cant have permeated every part of society, this shows that queerness is seen as making you superior, whilst at the same time saying you are the most marginalised.

NB - the quotes above are my extracts, not the full in depth analysis of the article!!

I googled 'sexual apartheid' by mistake (not NK) & travelled back in time to Alison Bailey's tribunal & the lovely Ben Cooper swaying as he talked... mmm... I can still see him.

"Disabled LGBTQIA+ people face additional barriers due to limited accessible services, and a study found they’re being “systemically ignored” *. For example, during Hurricane Katrina, many wheelchair users were stranded as they weren’t included in evacuation, and they were unable to use non-accessible vehicles."

Yes, I'm sure the fact they were gay made all the difference to whether wheelchair-users were physically stranded. If only they had been cishet, then their wheelchairs would have fit in the rescue trucks.

He/they has simply added LGBTQIA+ to that sentence to repurpose a life-threatening and very serious issue for disabled people to make it fit his Pride Month brief - even the report he links to was a study of disabled people, with no mention of sexual orientation or gender identity.

It's so misleading and disingenuous to refer to "disabled LGBTQIA+ people" when you actually mean disabled people.

Obviously disabled people who are LBG or trans might encounter actual additional issues, but the example and study he/they uses in the context of disaster relief simply serve to illustrate that this is a brazen attempt to appropriate disabled people's serious issues to make it seem like an LGBTQIA+ inclusion issue when it's not.

And you know who loses out by pretending that people who don't believe in gender ideology are bigots who hate disabled people too? Disabled people.

sexuality operates at the individual level, not at the group level.

If that were true, then homosexuality (and indeed heterosexuality) don't exist. It's entirely this kind of thinking that makes gender identity ideology - and its insistence on replacing "same-sex attraction" with "same-gender attraction" - a totally homophobic movement.

Exactly.

Sure humans experience themselves operating at an individual level much of the time, including relationships.

But to fight for/ protect rights in a society we necessarily talk about group level, classes of human. In order for a class to protect its rights it needs to be able to name itself and organise with itself.

Otherwise it's all a bit "there's no such thing as society, only the individual" which tends to favour those humans who are naturally strongest both physically and structurally.

Otherwise it's all a bit "there's no such thing as society

Indeed. Oh dear, are they aligned with Margaret Thatcher and the far right?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Nancy+Kelley+sexual+racists&view=detail&mid=D38FE5E81AB21AC940E0D38FE5E81AB21AC940E0&FORM=VIRE&PC=LCTS

So Nancy here is contradicting suggestions please. She's quite accepting of different views in here apparently in one short video.

It's rather undermined by the stupid Stonewall Champions League farce that expects gender identity to be included in every policy thereby forcing an identity based position on lesbians and gay people as a matter of course. And on every one else with their anti woman and mother measures in their policy advice for bonus points.

It's this utter bias from the top that is so contradictory.

And then everyone who can see these contradictions is smeared as gullible far right fools for understanding same sex attraction and single sex sports and facilities.

PP is right, this is making stonewall et al look ridiculous as they are completely two faced about it.

Yes, the community have different views and we accept that says Nancy but look at what we are doing for L (including men) G (including women) and B.

This is a contradictory mess which deliberately favours heterosexuals more than anyone in practice.

Anyone calling people that can see this plainly as being influenced by the far right misses the point that we can see it staring us in the face just by working in a Stonewall Champions organisation.

sexuality operates at the individual level, not at the group level. This places the battle at every single persons level.

So lesbians cannot say NO to sex with men as a whole. There are no boundaries in place that society/law/people respect or try to respect, try to uphold etc.
It is is down to every single lesbian to fight each fucking creep one by one or report to the police (we know how well that goes) - and there is nobody on her side.

There's just Nancy Kelly telling lesbians to examine their prejudices as they are sexual racists. And this is Stonewall - not some far-right organisation.

Seriously, how do these people sleep at night. (NK et all)

LOJ picked the Doomers over the *roomers in the JSO v Pride stand off

You are repeating the false mantras and parroting the ideas that far right orgs have developed to split the community.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that Allison Bailey, Kate and Bev of LGBA and countless others are parroting far right orgs and not actually representing their own experience?

The experience of Mermaids trying to destroy LGBAs charity status is a direct attack they are experiencing. No-one needs to have a far right org tell us a false mantra about that, we were able to log in and watch the actual case live!

You are the one stuck on repeat inserting the same "far right" mantra about everything no matter how ridiculous it makes you look @suggestionsplease1

Ha ha ha. The old "You're too stupid to understand what you're saying" argument.

Just imagine - try, for a moment! - that some people who support same-sex attraction are speaking from experience and allyship of the LGB. And that some other people are religious fundamentalists and Nazis. And - keep imagining! - it is possible that both those groups can exist without each being members of the other group. Just imagine!

Noooo! Doesn't he realise that heterosexual men dressed as fairies probably also wearing a nappy will literally expire?

The movement that wants to sell you a new identity and body to go with it and would prefer that gay people didn't reproduce? Say it ain't so!

I'm sure someone somewhere can make this make sense.

I think I'll sand the decking while I wait.

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Maybe because they are all middle class oxygen thieves, whose foreign jaunts and jollies have gone up in price? At a guess!

JSO's letter said "climate change is the biggest threat to LGBT+ rights, due to social collapse".

There's probably some truth in that. Arguably women (of any sexuality and identity) are most at risk in these situations (rape as weapon, less ability to fight back etc) but tbh civil wars are brutal for everyone.

I'm sure if Pride goes along with this they'll have to switch it around to "LGBT+ people are most under threat by climate change".

It's so blatantly obviously that anyone who stoops to the really inane comment that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a far right nazi or gullible idiot is someone who cant engage with the issue.

And from experience, not having read anything, many women stopped supporting what had been gay liberation and became "Pride" for no other reason that it focused on male fetish behaviour. The fact that this misogynistic element occured only gave a foothold to the ultimate misogynists, trans activists.

And to parrot the infantile description that anyone standing up for sex based rights is a nazi tool, I could say anyone who parrots the MRA whataboutery is clearly a Guardian reader and Owen Jones hand maiden!

As for being welcome, how come veteran gay rights activists 70 years plus was attacked by this so empathetic Pride participants last year, and this year a GC lesbian was also attacked.

And the Stonewall etc., have accused LBG Alliance of being transphobic.

If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious to find someone posting such complete bullshit.

I suggest you take a long hard look at how you have been sucked into a corporate money making machine promoting a false narrative.

LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

Have they told Bangladesh yet?

Any individual can define their sexual preferences for themselves, but they are not entitled to determine the sexual preferences of others.

And the fact is, this 'battle' occurs at the individual level all the time. None of us walk around with our sexualities on our foreheads, any of us could experience advances from any other person. One individual could construe those advances as welcome where the 2nd person would not.

If illegal behaviour is occuring, obviously that should be reported.

But the position that you are others are taking presumably makes it absolutely offensive, beyond the pale and disrespectful of boundaries that a lesbian makes an overture towards a hitherto straight woman?...but it is absolutely the case that formerly straight women have ended up in very happy relationships and been surprised at their unexpected attraction to another woman.

I think many people on these boards will be aware that this is quite a well known phenomenon and perhaps have a friend or 2 who in later life, and after a series of straight relationships are happy in a relationship with another woman.

So how would you describe these lesbians who made the initial 'overtures' ?Are they creeps? Predators? Transgressing boundaries? Disrespecting the information they knew about the individual?

Or perhaps an organic and respectful attraction developed?

If this is possible in this direction why might it not be possible in another?

Unfortunately the Hijra community in Bangladesh are already very aware.

https://www.reuters.com/article/bangladesh-lgbt-disaster-idUSL8N2Y25VM

See, I’d have thought that poor people were most affected by climate change… it’s always good to be educated.

I think this shit is a bubble of nonsense that will soon burst now. In a year it will be as out of date as deely boppers and fidget spinners.

Another man who is obsessed with the patriarchy, perhaps he doesn't feel like he lives up his imagined standards of masculinity and rages against the system.

I am very suspect of any man that rages against the patriarchy.

Here are 6 reasons why we REALLY DONT need a truly queer environmental movement

Any individual can define their sexual preferences for themselves, but they are not entitled to determine the sexual preferences of others.

Then I wish Stonewall and its TRA/MRA "allies" would stop trying to determine the sexual preferences of lesbians and branding those who disagree with them for doing that as "transphobic".

Also, any individual can define their own pronouns, but they can't impose them on others. Or doesn't it work like that?

Not men. That's how I would describe them, not men.