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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

PCOS and devastated to be called intersex

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kbana · 28/06/2023 19:11

I’m typing this through tears but just need to write it down to try and get it out of my head. Sorry if it seems long or disjointed but I’m in a bit of a state.

I hold GC views but keep these to myself as I feel afraid to speak out in case I’m called a bigot/TERF. I don’t believe that a man can become a woman but I would use people’s chosen pronouns to be polite.

I feel strongly that male-bodied people should not be able to access female spaces (including changing rooms and toilets). One of my very good friends from my university days is extremely supportive of trans rights and was ranting to me this afternoon about women’s toilets being for all women and not just females. I would normally ignore these comments to avoid arguments as she can get very heated. This time though I decided to explain (calmly and reasonably) why I didn’t agree.

My friend said that she found it astonishing that I would take that position “when many people would consider me intersex” and pointed out that I never question my own right to use the women’s loos. I asked her what she meant and she said that because I have PCOS, most TRAs and some doctors would not call me female and would include me in the intersex category. She said that I should have more sympathy for people with gender dysphoria because like them, I try to change my body to fit with my belief that I am female by taking medication to give me periods and reduce hair growth.

I tried to argue that there are thousands of women with PCOS and that they all have XX chromosomes and are female. I also pointed out that the medication is to bring back my periods, which I would have biologically if it wasn’t for my hormonal imbalance. She just kept arguing despite seeing that I was getting tearful and said that if the thousands of women with PCOS were correctly considered intersex, it would break the idea that intersex is an extremely rare group. She said that society avoids categorising PCOS as intersex to maintain the idea of two fixed sexes and encourages people with PCOS to medicate so that they fit better into the “female binary”.

I was so upset to have my sex questioned and told her so, but she just replied that is how trans people feel. Although she may have wanted to hurt me because of my GC view, she genuinely seemed to think that having PCOS means I am intersex and that my treatment for PCOS is basically to reduce my gender dysphoria so that I feel more female.

I’m not really sure what I’m asking for here but I hoped that MNers on this topic who are better informed than me can help me articulate why her view of PCOS as intersex is wrong and reassure me that I correct in believing that I am fully female (I can’t believe I even had to write that last bit). I am pretty sure that our friendship is over so I doubt I’ll have this argument with her again but it would still help me to know exactly why her thinking is wrong.

I am devastated to have lost her friendship and to have been made to feel less than female because of my health condition. I also don’t understand why she is so supportive of trans people choosing their gender and yet wants to tell me which category I’m really in. It is offensive and upsetting.

If you got to the end of this, thank you for reading. I hope I don’t sound like I’ve made this is up -frankly, I find it hard to believe too. The most upsetting part is that even though I am almost convinced she is wrong, it has still planted a seed of doubt because it plays on my insecurities about being hairier etc than most other women.

Thank you for any advice.

OP posts:
turbonerd · 04/07/2023 05:48

I am a humpback whale.

Kucinghitam · 04/07/2023 05:52

You are all very impractical people.

I'm retirement age. Where's my pension, eh?

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 04/07/2023 07:41

I'm Catherine, Princess of Wales. Despite the fact "you are who you say you are" I've been told that if I keep trying to get into any of the royal properties I'll be arrested. Sad

NotBadConsidering · 04/07/2023 09:29

Maybe the OP can just identify as someone without PCOS.

Problem. Solved.

ArabeIIaScott · 04/07/2023 09:39

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 04/07/2023 07:41

I'm Catherine, Princess of Wales. Despite the fact "you are who you say you are" I've been told that if I keep trying to get into any of the royal properties I'll be arrested. Sad

Okay, then I will be Princess of Whales.

In all seriousness, though, what a daft idea it is that we 'are whatever we say we are' or want to be. Solipsist and vacuous all at once.

It's beyond belief that policy and law has been drafted on this basis.

PineappleRumble · 04/07/2023 09:43

Bin your 'friend' off, OP. She's not very bright.

Only women can have PCOS.

Greenfishy · 04/07/2023 09:48

This is just horrendous. What on earth is happening in this world of ours.

OP you are completely and utterly female, and completely and utterly within your rights to be outraged and hurt by this.

Your friend is batshit and I would not be seeing her or contacting her again. I’m so sorry this happened to you.

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