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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans guidance out "in next fortnight" - Keegan in The Times - RSE consultation also mentioned

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ResisterRex · 23/06/2023 19:40

Here:

Gillian Keegan: ‘Children have been through so much — you couldn’t pick a worse time to strike’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/984e449a-11d9-11ee-a92d-cf7c831c99b5?shareToken=13b87826a5f64a40bc85211dcd51490d

"Another contentious issue on Keegan’s desk is trans guidance for schools. This week a debate has raged over how to deal with children who identify as cats, dinosaurs or even the moon.

The guidance, which is due to be published in the next fortnight, will be detailed enough to be helpful to teachers in such situations, Keegan promises. “That’s the whole reason it’s there. I know it’s a very polarised issue, teachers should be guided through this.”

The guidance will recommend that children are able to “socially transition” — to use a pronoun of their choice — as long as they have parental consent.

This has already led to a backlash from Tory MPs on the right of the party, who have described it as a “great social experiment”.

“It’s a tricky subject but I think parental consent is the key driver for this,” Keegan says. “Schools aren’t there as doctors or parents. They are there as educators. Parental consent is the most important thing. Parents are responsible for their child.”

Keegan is keen to draw some lines, however. She says that the current guidance is already clear that children must not be allowed to use toilets or changing facilities of the opposite sex.

“We certainly make sure that safe spaces are protected and it’s biological,” she says. “A lot of schools have unisex toilets, a lot of places have single cubicle toilets. If you look at some of the newer toilet builds, they’re units with the toilet and hand basin inside.”

Would it be logical to assume that the government will follow “best practice” from elsewhere? UK Athletics has banned transgender women from competing in the female category across all of its events on grounds of fairness.

Keegan suggests that biological boys will be barred from competing against girls. “You can assume I’ve been logical and you can assume that I’ve used common sense and logic for drafting.”

Equally contentious has been the long-awaited sex and relationships education guidance — due at the end of this year. The curriculum had not been updated for 20 years, so it has been revamped to include issues such as pornography, sexting and consent.

This has led to a proliferation of companies providing lessons in schools, but many are unwilling to share the resources they are teaching for commercial reasons, to the alarm of some parents.

Keegan wrote to schools in March telling them not to enter into contracts with companies that would not allow their materials to be seen and said these should be freely available to parents.

However, a court case this week backed a company wanting to protect its materials. Parents can go to the school and see the resources but cannot make a copy or take it away to seek advice. Is that good enough? “Well we’ve obviously asked a panel to figure it out,” Keegan says. “But I think what is age appropriate has become a big question.”

Ultimately she wants a central bank of resources that schools can draw on and will ask Oak National Academy, a body that creates lesson plans, to do this. Schools would remain free to choose, she said, adding: “The most important thing is what is taught in schools is age appropriate.”"

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WarriorN · 28/10/2023 06:52

The issue around uniform currently in many schools is some peculiar rule that shorts are not allowed.

This has led to boys wearing skirts in protest. A friend's boy has been wearing one to school as he spends his life in shorts, to try to protest, but due to uniforms not being sexed, no one cares.

Partly Because of upskirting and partly because, actually, some girls want to wear shorts too, they all do so under their skirts. Which is extra cost obviously.

BezMills · 28/10/2023 07:36

I definitely agree that schools should allow both boys and girls to wear skirts or trousers (short or long variety). No issue there. Our DD wears trousers and a pinafore, (or trousers and a polo shirt for PE). No issue if a boy feels comfy doing likewise (I can think of one that might!)

WarriorN · 28/10/2023 07:46

Why can't they wear shorts?! Either of them?

What the fuck is this bizarre rule!

My friend's daughter has to protest this a decade ago; boys were allowed to wear shirts at her school but girls couldn't.

WarriorN · 28/10/2023 07:47

Anyway, the my friend's boy just looks like he's wearing a smart kilt to school.

WarriorN · 28/10/2023 07:48

From my perspective if a girl doesn't want to wear skirts and shorts are not an option it's actually yet another added subconscious pressure to persuade her that she's really a boy.

As few / no boys in reality really do wear the skirt option longer term.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2023 08:14

The LGB Alliance conference have been hearing from parents & teachers about what's been happening in schools - especially about "conversion therapy" as applied to gay children with increasing evidence that it's them most at risk from the impact of unthinking social transitioning policies in schools:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/27/activist-teachers-survey-pupils-gender-confusion-claim/

‘Activist teachers’ questioned pupils every term about their gender, parents claim

LGB Alliance conference also hears allegations of children being punished for ‘misgendering’ their teacher

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/27/activist-teachers-survey-pupils-gender-confusion-claim

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2023 08:21

Extract fro the srticle - a parent speaking at the conference detailed some alarming things happening in certain Brighton schools:

"The parent also told of a teacher who had sent an 11-year old girl questioning their gender to an “unqualified male” who, after two sessions, helped her buy a “penis packer” so she could “try living as a boy just to see how it feels”.
She also said activist teachers had written to a head teacher at a school saying they would go against the head’s instructions not to use a child’s preferred pronouns.
In another example, she claimed that a teacher at a Brighton school told pupils she was non-binary and refused to wear sanitary protection.
The parent said: “We’ve got a group of pupils at a school where one of the teachers is non-binary and this particular teacher has taught the pupils that she is neither male nor female.
“Therefore she is not required to wear sanitary protection when she menstruates. What she then does is she wears white, very light linen clothes when she menstruates so the blood shows through to generate a conversation with the kids.”

It's shameful that the government have still failed to release guidance for schools - although I'd have thought that in the latter example , health & safety plus the Teachers' Standards about personal and professional conduct should be applied?

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