Elliot Page documentary

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Apologies if there’s already a thread about this. I searched but we all know what Mumsnet search functionality is like!

I’m watching the Elliot Page documentary on the BBC and I’m struck by how sad and depressed he seems. Has anyone else seen it? It’s such an awkward interview because the interviewer has a permanent grin on her face like she’s trying not to laugh!

Sarah Ditum on Page: https://unherd.com/2023/06/how-elliot-page-escaped-womanhood/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3

I'd watched the first series of Umbrella Academy, and I remember looking at her Instagram before her big announcement. I remember her looking really miserable and sad and her being worryingly skinny -- it was obvious there was something deeper going on under the surface. And it's certainly nothing that pretending to be a boy has cured, because if that's people's idea of trans joy... I wasn't at all surprised to hear about her harassment. Hollywood harmed her.

She'd always been a bit of a crush. Just sad to see this abuse play out.

I’m just watching it now. I don’t know if it’s the testosterone and they are also trying to suppress their voice but hard to focus on what they are saying. Not ideal for an actor.

Poor poor milo

she said it was so easy t get surgery and hormones

I think everyone like our politicians and councils and teachers should watch this and see what happens when you do this to children

The beginning to that MTV documentary is so sinister. It feels like a parody but it isn't

That was a painful watch. And because the voice drove me nuts all the way through i had to go search for a clip of before to compare.

Regardless of anything else EP sounded healthier before all the work.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2CEGhwMjkQ

difficult to avoid the impression of a broken shell of a, sorry, woman. fingers crossed for a happy ending but I won't hold my breath.

I know they are excited about acting work. But how much work is there for a old looking teenager trans man really?

Stick a short man's haircut on a dainty woman and it becomes a pixie cut.

Just like izzard's skirt were not women's clothes, way back when, it's not a man's haircut it's Page's haircut.

I haven't watched the doc, but is this what they said?? Really and truly? Because fuck me that's so so revealing.

And yeah, we know that men can be short. Unfortunately for them, Paige is petite. Which is not very masculine. Just look at pictures of them on the red carpet between Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal. There's no mistaking it.

'in my life, in so many points, I find myself going ... I was never a girl ... I will never be a woman ... like, what am I going to do, I just want to be a ten year old boy. Like I ...and .. I... would say this a lot, and then I started to realise that's the last time I felt like myself, and felt like I looked like myself and was in my body and knew who I was and had that spark, you know?'

What really pisses me off about the whole trans/detrans thing is that way these poor kids are kicked into the long grass with zero support. These girls need bone scans and advice at the very least.

There was a prospective student at Bath Spa Uni who tried to do a Masters researching de-trans and the University refused to let him do it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41384473.amp

Having just done a quick google, I found this update:

www.thepinknews.com/2021/02/09/james-caspian-transgender-trans-bath-spa-european-court-human-rights/

Just started watching. This is a female person who wants to play the male social role but is a female person who's taken hormones.

Page just said, we're put in a box from birth. True... but that's gender, not biological sex. You're female, it's what you are. Just like you're human .

I started to watch this but the utter sadness and cognitive dissonance was too much. There's no joy there that I could see. Page has been sold an outright lie, and now that lie is being sold on to loads more vulnerable young people. It's tragic

'How was I in so much pain? Why did even slightly feminine clothing make me want to die?'
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'Imagine the most uncomfortable, mortifying thing you could wear. You squirm in your skin. It’s tight, and you want to tear it off your body but you can’t. Day in and day out. And if people learn what is underneath, who you are without that pain, the shame will come flooding out, too much to hold. The voice says you deserve the humiliation. You are an abomination. You are not real.'
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'The world tells us that we aren’t trans but mentally ill.'

From this article: 'Elliot Page: Embracing My Trans Identity Saved Me'

https://time.com/6284143/elliot-page-memoir-pageboy-trans-identity/

How I Found Hope and Joy.

Praise be.

Agree with a previous poster that while Elliot has made their choices and that's up to them, presenting 'transition' as some salvation or redemption or the answer to all the pain ever experienced seems highly immoral, given Elliot's status and reach.

I agree.

Whilst the exploitation and abuse was horrendous, Elliot Page seems a dangerous proselytiser who is universalising the personal without any regard for the negative impact that is going to happen on young impressionable girls. For the life of me I just do not understand why they don’t do what they want to do to themselves quietly and without the fanfare.

They were interviewed by Lauren Laverne on 6 Music earlier this week and I just listened constantly thinking how desperately sad and fragile they sounded.

As a psychologist I find this so disturbing given the current circumstances

The Euphoria of Elliot Page.

At this stage, I don't know how much of this is even Elliot's doing, really. The media have cast Elliot as a saint who was in hell and has now seen the light, been redeemed and ascended. (That's how saints work, right? I'm not that clear on the detail).

It's a horrendously simplistic narrative, doesn't correlate with how miserable Elliot looks, and is going to be bloody hard for Elliot to ever admit to any feelings other than rapt, holy euphoria and praise.

'The voice says you deserve the humiliation. You are an abomination. You are not real.'
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'The world tells us that we aren’t trans but mentally ill.''