Musk says cis or cisgender is now considered a slur on Twitter

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twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841?s=46&t=r5kx3z5-8Bi2hSNZTB-1lA

About fecking time. Now make "sex" a category that can be subject to harassment

@PurpleBugz , then make a complaint quoting Musk and this twitter.com/womenreadwomen/status/1671378744324521986?s=46&t=r5kx3z5-8Bi2hSNZTB-1lA

Businesses stop being gobshites if you tell them being a gobshite is bad for business. Or new non-gobshite businesses capitalise on a gap in the market

@PurpleBugz I might be incredibly naive but surely in online dating then women and transwomen would be better than cis women and women?
Honestly I might be over sensitive and old fashioned, (I’m not sure when cis became a ‘common’ term but not for decades of my life) but being referred to as a cis woman feels like I’m less of a woman - a person I’ve been happy to be all my life. Interestingly, spell check doesn’t like the word cis 🤷‍♂️

But by that argument, does that mean women should be banned for referring to men as men, if that man says he is a woman?

I completely agree with all of this. And YY to the hypocrisy of TRAs!

I fully agree I'm a woman not a cus woman. I find it offensive to so I'm not making a counter argument really just acknowledging a point I saw someone else make on twitter.

Trans women will message you if you say woman as TWAW.

However I don't think it makes much difference my experience is TW act like men online dating anyway in that they spam multiple profiles without even reading them. Just this morning I have a "hey gurl how's your week going" from what is definitely a man. If he had read my profile it's very clear I'm not going to respond to him 🤷‍♀️

Banning words does not help free speech. Even stupid words

but reading the tweet, I don’t think that’s what he’s saying

Repeated, targeted harassment against any account will cause the harassing accounts to receive, at minimum, temporary suspensions.

The words “cis” or “cisgender” are considered slurs on this platform.

I think he’s saying don’t keep calling someone cis if they’ve asked you to stop

I’d expect (and hope) that twitter users can still use ‘cis’ (and thereby reveal themselves to be idiots) in a general, not targeted way. And that’s a good thing

@BernardBlacksMolluscs think you are right. So we need to keep telling users to stop with that term. Normalise criticism of it.

As always, love your username

What I like about Musk (and there isn’t a lot) is that he’s able to spark discussion about these topics and it gives others the ability to say what they think and be heard.

I think many people don’t think about what cis means and are just using it to be kind. But once people start talking about it as a slur or how it means identifying as the gender that aligns with your biological sex, people go hang on a minute…

Personally I don’t identify as cis as I don’t identify with “woman” as a gender. I am biologically one, but I refuse to identify into my own oppression. While I can’t see inside their heads, I think everyone I know is NOT cis as no one identifies as gender conforming.

We’re all biologically male or female, the rest is just your personality.

You are the one adding the word "ban".

Musk has not.

(Unless he is going to use this to show how wrong it is to declare certain words ‘slurs’ and ban them in a ‘look at this anti- free speech position can also be used against you too self-styled progressive lefties! Do you see the importance of free speech now??’ Sort of way).

He's not banning a word.

YY to normalising criticism of ‘cis’

in an environment where repeated targeted ‘cis-ing’ isn’t allowed it is quite fun to be able to challenge gender ideologues to find another term for what they would call ‘cis women’ (and we’d all call ‘women’)

watch them try to express their sexist and totalitarian ideology without their helpful little word to hide behind

All of these changes in language - cis, demanded pronouns etc - were brought in and imposed without question originally. And for a while when challenged those who wished it imposed just smiled and said “this is what we do now, didn’t you know?” as if there had been a decision made and worldwide agreement that we had all missed. And the rest of us wore puzzled expressions as we wondered how it had all happened.

Then as people slowly woke up and realised what was being imposed on us we asked why. And those who wanted it imposed for aggressive. So the rest of us started saying “no”.

All of this language is about imposing a belief system and not allowing dissenting views. In some cases it’s about imposing the the legal system on people who don’t comply. So this is a major step. It’s telling those aggressive activists that their attempt to gaslight the world into thinking “this is the way” that their time is over.

Fair enough, though having read what he did tweet it’s hard to know what he is saying. Why say a word is considered a slur by his company, if there are no consequences to using that slur? And is it a slur in all contexts or just some? It’s really not at all clear what he is saying.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841

He said in response to James Esses saying he was being haarrased after he said he didn't want to be called cis.

You have to read James Esses tweet then musks tweet for the full context.

Same as using any slur to harrass people.

TRAs constantly label people as 'cis' without their consent, without checking what their preferred pronouns are and I think it's fine to allow people to use this about themselves but not allow others to use it without checking it's ok - that's what they ask for in terms of 'preferred pronouns'. Sometimes it's obvious when it's being used as a slur. It's like 'queer' sometimes it's used as a slur, still, sometimes it's used by people who identify in this way. It's not rocket science to tell the difference.

It's one of the tricks of the trans agenda - there's two groups of people, those who need to be pandered to at every opportunity and whose 'preferred pronouns' need to be recognised and those who can be labelled without bothering to ask what their 'preferred pronouns' are.

One class of overlords and the underlings who only exist to service the overlords and must be punished if they don't.

Look at the article linked below on convicted paedophile Dolatowski. Dolatowski's preferred pronouns (she/her) are used throughout despite the fact that Dolatowski is quite clearly male and using his male advantage of size (IIRC 6ft5) and strength to be able to carry out the attacks he did. This signals that the journalist is using gender based pronouns but then again, do we think the journalist bothered to ask the child victims of Dolotowski's attack (or their parents) what their gender was before publishing? Did they fuck. No, sex based pronouns are used for the victims - sending a very significant message about who's more important.

So the journalist is bowing before Dolatowski's pronoun demands but not even bothering to check on what the victim's pronouns are and using sex based pronouns without clearly signalling the change. Which is incredibly confusing for the reader.

This language is very clearly prioritising the offender over the victim and no doubt adding to the trauma experienced by the victim and their family as I'm fairly certain they all perceive Dolatowski as male. This use of language to abuse and confuse is NOT FUCKING OK. I'm glad Elon sees this for what it is and is pushing back.

'Katie Dolatowski, 18, admitted grabbing the youngster by her face and forcing her into the cubicle before demanding she take her trousers off at the store in Fife, Scotland, on 4 March.' (bolding mine)

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

What is funny is that the rabid TRAs are very upset about it and posting alternative sites where they can be found.... but appear wholly unable to delete their account.

Which would be the most sensible retort.

I'm sure they're frantically trying to come up with another word now.

But as it will be used in exactly the same way that cis is used, as a slur, because that's its purpose, I imagine Musk will have something to say about that too.

Also, it's worth noting that Mumsnet were the first place to ban that word as a slur. Which was due to the number of women who objected to it, and articulated the reasons in a way that obviously convinced HQ.

Musk is merely following in our footsteps!

'Terf' next, Musk.

I think it is always enlightening to see the people who complain about being misgendered then turn around and say 'Cis just means not trans. That is what you are, so just suck it up'.

The hypocrisy never once occurs to them.

This.

I saw this thread when I wok up this morning and thought, uh, no, I don't want words banned (I'm a great believer in giving people enough rope, not stopping your enemy when he is making a mistake etc), but I was too bleary to condense my thoughts into anything sensible.

Exactly, it's how it's used

Bitch is perfectly innocent word for a female dog, but it's also a slur if used as one.

I don't want people to address me with hey bitch, for example which seems to be common amongst the Twitterers.

Fantastic. Cis puts non believers in a gender box.

We don't believe in your 57 varieties of genders!

'Terf' next, Musk.

That would be brilliant. Insist people discuss issues without using insults to close others down.

'Terf' next, Musk.

Yes, please.

Good. Well done, Elon. I bet there's a lot of very unhappy tech bros at Twitter today. (If there's any left, I think Musk has sacked most of them for being pointless.)

People can still use it on dating sites to their hearts content.

This is Twitter.
People can still use it on Twitter but others can also report it as a slur.