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AsTreesWalking · 2023-06-18T11:27:09+00:00

Anyone hear Desert Island Discs this morning? He's quite an interesting fellow, who resigned as a doctor in obstetrics because he couldn't bear his grief over deaths of babies and mothers. Imagine my surprise-disbelief- to hear that he and his husband have 2 babies under a year old from 2 surrogate mothers. And he actually said that he hopes the children will forgive any mistakes they will make...

LoobiJee · 20/06/2023 07:35

Goldencup · 20/06/2023 07:25

Ziggy ? and this man has seen first hand some of the horrors parents inflict on their off spring. How he ever passed those exams is beyond me.

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That’s what the Guardian article says.

Perhaps he or his husband is a David Bowie fan? The only other Ziggy I’ve heard of is Bob Marley’s son.

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 07:50

What you need to know about those songs is that that culture of medical student ‘reviews’ in 2000 was for them to be deliberately as dark humour , OTT as possible. It was about overstepping the line in private.

There are many things you have to do as a doctor eg emptying a rectum the size of a rugby ball with impacted poo using just a spoon…. True story

I was at the medical school where these songs were written and performed . I was probably in the audience. Looking back the humour was grim. But it wasn’t just Adam. On my first year we leant a whole list of unspeakable songs - the tampax factory, my name is Jack , I’m a necrophiliac…. I have also experienced the awful time as a junior doctor at the time he was one.

You can’t look at Adam Kay songs in isolation.

MustYou · 20/06/2023 07:57

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 07:50

What you need to know about those songs is that that culture of medical student ‘reviews’ in 2000 was for them to be deliberately as dark humour , OTT as possible. It was about overstepping the line in private.

There are many things you have to do as a doctor eg emptying a rectum the size of a rugby ball with impacted poo using just a spoon…. True story

I was at the medical school where these songs were written and performed . I was probably in the audience. Looking back the humour was grim. But it wasn’t just Adam. On my first year we leant a whole list of unspeakable songs - the tampax factory, my name is Jack , I’m a necrophiliac…. I have also experienced the awful time as a junior doctor at the time he was one.

You can’t look at Adam Kay songs in isolation.

I hear what you’re saying, but it doesn’t make me feel better as a patient. He seems to reserve his worst for women though. I’ve been treated by doctors like him and ones not like him. It seems as though not all behave that way. Sadly I find it hard to forget the ones who did.

WhenIWasAFieldMyself · 20/06/2023 08:05

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 07:50

What you need to know about those songs is that that culture of medical student ‘reviews’ in 2000 was for them to be deliberately as dark humour , OTT as possible. It was about overstepping the line in private.

There are many things you have to do as a doctor eg emptying a rectum the size of a rugby ball with impacted poo using just a spoon…. True story

I was at the medical school where these songs were written and performed . I was probably in the audience. Looking back the humour was grim. But it wasn’t just Adam. On my first year we leant a whole list of unspeakable songs - the tampax factory, my name is Jack , I’m a necrophiliac…. I have also experienced the awful time as a junior doctor at the time he was one.

You can’t look at Adam Kay songs in isolation.

Oh, I'm sure there are other sick fuck doctors like him.

Thankfully, plenty of medical professionals are repulsed by the things he says, so my faith in the profession isn't totally destroyed, which it would be if I did take what he thinks, says, and believes is widespread. Plenty of medics on here are equally repulsed by this man.

I'm sure if it came out that serving police officers (in the way that Kay was already working for the NHS when much of his "work" was published and performed live) spoke about the people they deal with, write about the people they deal with, and opine about the people they deal with like Kay did (and supported by others claiming to be in the same profession) there'd soon be an internal investigation, public enquiry and shrieks from the tabloids about institualised -isms.

To repeat, ad infinitum. Thank God he is no longer allowed anywhere near womens' bodies. The fact that he once was, and his ideas about them went unnoticed by his superiors for so long, and is seen as comedy fodder by so many, is another sad indictment of both society in general, and the profession in isolation.

He has done his former profession untold damage.

WhenIWasAFieldMyself · 20/06/2023 08:07

"It was about overstepping the line in private"
There was never anything private about anything Kay has done. Or we wouldn't be talking about him now, would we? He is the ultimate narcissist. He's been unmasked for what he is.
The rest of you may be abusive about your patients "in private" Kay needs publicity to even get out of bed.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 20/06/2023 08:17

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 07:50

What you need to know about those songs is that that culture of medical student ‘reviews’ in 2000 was for them to be deliberately as dark humour , OTT as possible. It was about overstepping the line in private.

There are many things you have to do as a doctor eg emptying a rectum the size of a rugby ball with impacted poo using just a spoon…. True story

I was at the medical school where these songs were written and performed . I was probably in the audience. Looking back the humour was grim. But it wasn’t just Adam. On my first year we leant a whole list of unspeakable songs - the tampax factory, my name is Jack , I’m a necrophiliac…. I have also experienced the awful time as a junior doctor at the time he was one.

You can’t look at Adam Kay songs in isolation.

We aren't looking at the songs in isolation. Add the books and then the surrogacies and it's all part of a bigger picture.

I do hope the culture in medical schools has changed somewhat or are we still bringing medics up to believe women are fair game for a laugh at their expense.

RavingStone · 20/06/2023 09:36

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 07:50

What you need to know about those songs is that that culture of medical student ‘reviews’ in 2000 was for them to be deliberately as dark humour , OTT as possible. It was about overstepping the line in private.

There are many things you have to do as a doctor eg emptying a rectum the size of a rugby ball with impacted poo using just a spoon…. True story

I was at the medical school where these songs were written and performed . I was probably in the audience. Looking back the humour was grim. But it wasn’t just Adam. On my first year we leant a whole list of unspeakable songs - the tampax factory, my name is Jack , I’m a necrophiliac…. I have also experienced the awful time as a junior doctor at the time he was one.

You can’t look at Adam Kay songs in isolation.

Is there a higher percentage of ex public school kids amongst the cohort? If so a lot of them may have experienced schools with cultures of bullying as well as having senses of entitlement and superiority ingrained.

I've worked a difficult, sometimes "yucky" job with a very vulnerable group. My colleagues and I definitely needed to be able to laugh at the situations we got into and to be able to speak plainly behind closed doors. However our humour never actually mocked the people we were working with or made fun of their conditions. But we were a bunch of normal people.

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 11:07

When I say i isolation I mean it wasn’t just Adam Kay Personally I am shocked looking back at what ‘the norm’ was. I joined in singing those songs 20 years ago. Then you grow up and times change

These days I teach medical students . The culture is totally different l. It would be unthinkable to behave this way now. Comedy seems to evolve really quickly think about how I acceptable David Walliams’ racist disablist sketches are now.

I am not condoning it - I am just saying that Adam Kay behaved this way in part because of the culture around him at that time. He was an idiot for publishing the songs outside the medical school as they lost context.

Many doctors such as myself are glad that he wrote a book about some of the awful times we experienced as doctors in training. It represents my own experience very closely . My take is that he was in a very very dark place mental health wise when he wrote the book.

Clymene · 20/06/2023 11:14

He was still singing the songs when he was practicing. He didn't quit until 2010.

MissyB1 · 20/06/2023 11:16

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 11:07

When I say i isolation I mean it wasn’t just Adam Kay Personally I am shocked looking back at what ‘the norm’ was. I joined in singing those songs 20 years ago. Then you grow up and times change

These days I teach medical students . The culture is totally different l. It would be unthinkable to behave this way now. Comedy seems to evolve really quickly think about how I acceptable David Walliams’ racist disablist sketches are now.

I am not condoning it - I am just saying that Adam Kay behaved this way in part because of the culture around him at that time. He was an idiot for publishing the songs outside the medical school as they lost context.

Many doctors such as myself are glad that he wrote a book about some of the awful times we experienced as doctors in training. It represents my own experience very closely . My take is that he was in a very very dark place mental health wise when he wrote the book.

Hmmm… now my dh went to medical school in the late 80s and early 90s (whilst I was training as a nurse), yes we all had a dark sense of humour, but Dh still thinks Kay is a mysoginistic idiot! No way would Dh have sang those songs - I showed them to him he was disgusted. He watched the tv series and said “thank god that guy is not in the profession anymore! We don’t need idiots like that”.

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 11:36

To be clear there were Adam Kay songs that I would have groaned and laughed at as a student but not sung . I would have booed northern birds as one myself! They were parodies.

olympicsrock · 20/06/2023 11:38

Getting back on track - I hate the idea of anyone using surrogates because they feel they have a right to a child.