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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Update from CF

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DerekFaker · 07/06/2023 08:28

This sounds horrendous. How can the police do this.

And yes, it was exactly as we predicted in the previous thread.

Should a certain police officer pop up in this thread, please try not to get drawn into protracted, repetitive arguments with him. Please!

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw&s=19

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?s=19&t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw

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SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 08/06/2023 18:05

MerlinsLostMarbles · 08/06/2023 13:19

She has very extreme religious views is against gay rights as well as trans rights, she is against abortion too. Anyone thinking of donating to her keep that noted.

She is not on the side of feminism.

She is. A Catholic version. She has every right to her views, to express them, to believe in them.

And any of us have the right to disagree.

None of that changes the apparent "wheel to crush a butterfly" actions we are seeing here.

And now, with more ridiculousness in the wings, she has another fortnight of this police mandated thought checking to ensure.

Felix125 · 08/06/2023 18:11

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth

But we still don't know what the arrest was for yet - i know I keep mentioning it, but others seems to have come to the conclusion that its all to do with her views and expressing those views on social media.

Her arrest and the investigation might have nothing to do with this at all - it might be for something completely different.

We should just keep an open mind and wait for the facts to become available.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 08/06/2023 18:12

Felix125 · 08/06/2023 17:43

IwantToRetire

Mind-you - have the police been given anything by Caroline to submit?

It could be that the police could not make any submissions as there was nothing presented from her defence to submit at this stage. Did she make a 'no reply' interview for example without any disclosures or defence statements.

They might have been unimpressed - but if its not there to disclose, we can't disclose it.

Are you putting the cart before the horse there?

CF said she had no idea what Comms were being complained about. So how could she submit anything.

She did clarify more after the court adjourned. Some posts, 39 I think, no memes. She only knew that after she arrived and someone deigned to tell her what she was there for.

Apparently she has to talk it over with an officer (parole type??) so she can understand what she thought wrong and apologise for!

I have no faith that this is in any way right, moral, legal.

Especially knowing who the likely complainant is.

Felix125 · 08/06/2023 18:25

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth

When she was arrested, she will have been interviewed at the police station - unless there was some reason why it was not possible - but 99% of cases will have an interview attached.

So in that interview, she could make her disclosures.

Unless it was a 'no reply' interview and she never presented any defence statement or similar evidence in it. That could be down to her solicitor's advice.

If that is the case - the police could not submit anything to the court, as there is nothing from her part to submit.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 08/06/2023 18:37

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WagnersFourthSymphony · 08/06/2023 18:39

@MerlinsLostMarbles that sounds like an actionable comment - unless you can back it up.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/06/2023 18:39

Tell you what, Merlins, why don't you discuss this over on the fruit farm?

WagnersFourthSymphony · 08/06/2023 18:40

Good to see MN on the button here, thanks!

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/06/2023 18:42

Pretty sure the banhammer must be poised by now, if it hasn't already swung

Update from CF
Thelnebriati · 08/06/2023 18:51

Is that poster banned? We've seen women banned for posting the biscuit emoji so I'm a bit salty about this.

Confirmedwitch · 08/06/2023 18:56

@Felix125

It’s obviously not a DVPO being applied for but an SPO. Domestic Violence wouldn’t apply.

According to those who were there, nothing went before the court today.

The 2 briefs were seen having a conflab then went to the clerk and then everyone left after being told it was adjourned.

Felix125 · 08/06/2023 19:02

Confirmedwitch

I never said it was a DVPO - I said it was like a DVPO, as in it will follow the same processes.

Shortpoet · 08/06/2023 19:05

MerlinsLostMarbles · 08/06/2023 14:39

You know posting the link is against MN rules (not that I'd want to help people find it anyway).

Anyway I'm sure Ms Farrow's involvement in that site and the content posted by her supporters won't do her case any good.

She is on there using derogatory terms such as "tr**n" as an example of her hatred (evidence that this isn't just about misgendering). Her supporters (who may or may not be herself under a sock account) are posting threats and advocating violence towards the police and LGBT people.

My point being Kiwifarms is not accessible to a casual user.
You’re clearly committed enough to have found its new location and gained access Which further googling has revealed to me that you need to download specific software to do. (That’s assuming the instructions I found are legit. I didn’t try them).

Unless, of course, you’re talking bollocks about what’s posted on there, which is why I went looking to verify.

DrLouiseJMoody · 08/06/2023 19:25

Thanks to this thread I have now downloaded Orbotz app (Tor for Android), found the link, and Merlin, who is obviously a stranger with no connections to the case whatsoever and definitely not an alt of a nutjob, is excised about nothing.

The reality is that - and I'm speaking generally - is that if people behave in ridiculous ways such that they become notorious, then people are going to comment. And if discussion is shut down everywhere else, they will do so on the one remaining place that's sue proof. The ire directed at KF is simply because it usually tells the truth about a cast of characters - some quite dangerous instead of merely comical.

Whilst I don't endorse certain extreme posts, I accept it's a consequence of an "anything goes" forum. I very occasionally post in my own name precisely because it's exasperating being accused of being about five different posters. Like Caroline, I've documented post timings since, quite often, I've been at work or not on-line. The mere act of posting does not imply endorsement of everything else: I am accountable for my own posts and nothing more.

Some might not like it, but I just laugh. I've done nothing illegal and I'm not answerable to any TRA whinging on with hyperbole about the forum killing people.

DerekFaker · 08/06/2023 19:35

She is on there using derogatory terms such as "trn" as an example of her hatred

As I have already explained in this thread, that term was coined by trans people themselves.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/06/2023 19:42

I want for an extended afternoon snooze and now feel robbed as I see I missed two posters delightful posts.

haXXor · 08/06/2023 19:50

I'm glad that women are learning how to use Tor to circumvent the big tech censors. More women having better IT skills can only be good thing.

MissMissive · 08/06/2023 20:03

Pixiedust1234 · 07/06/2023 11:22

The mind boggles that they think that's okay 😮

It will be ok if it’s next to a bus stop.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/06/2023 20:16

I came across this tweet, I think it summarises the situation quite well.

twitter.com/Tantrumfly/status/1666725101675446272?s=20

Felix, I'll save you the trouble, you don't know. Don't waste your time replying and mine ignoring you.

If anyone wants to copy the previous sentence for their own post, please be my guest.

GailBlancheViola · 08/06/2023 20:48

Felix125 · 08/06/2023 11:03

So should these orders not be considered, DVPO's etc?

And if we are to consider putting them in place - when should they be applied for?

The Order applied for being discussed here and on the details provided contains draconian measures that impinge on the rights and liberties of the person subjected to it and their family. Therefore, orders like it should only be considered and granted rarely and in severe and extreme cases, there should be a very high bar to having one implemented, robust evidence for one and it should not be dealt with at Magistrate level it should be signed off by a Judge.

It should not be easy to apply for or be granted these orders.

Everyone, even the most hideous, deserve a fair justice system that does not remove their rights nor that of their families which this particular order seeks to do on a person who has not been convicted of any crime.

OldGardinia · 08/06/2023 20:50

Shortpoet · 08/06/2023 19:05

My point being Kiwifarms is not accessible to a casual user.
You’re clearly committed enough to have found its new location and gained access Which further googling has revealed to me that you need to download specific software to do. (That’s assuming the instructions I found are legit. I didn’t try them).

Unless, of course, you’re talking bollocks about what’s posted on there, which is why I went looking to verify.

It actually is pretty accessible. Most people could manage it if they were interested to do so and many have. Whilst what you say is true as far it goes - "need to download specific software to do" - that's really less off-putting than it sounds. You need a Tor capable browser of which there are a number and easily found by just googling "Tor browser" or if on phone, typing in "Tor" in your phones app store. Bang - done. Then you just paste in the KiwiFarms URL which is still available on the old Kiwifarms website and you're on the site.

Whilst it's a negative for KiwiFarms to only be on Tor it's a pretty big positive for Tor itself because a whole lot of people have gone from the mindset of "special software, darkweb, is this illegal?" to "oh, that was actually pretty easy" and "Darkweb is actually just like the old Internet of the early 2000's..."

SabrinaThwaite · 08/06/2023 20:57

I was listening to a podcast that mentioned the origins of “the Dark Web”. Created by the US military for encrypted traffic, they realised that foreign actors would know something was up when the chatter on it increased, even if it couldn’t be decrypted. So it was opened up so that the military comms got lost in the noise. And lots of respected agencies have sites to provide a place for whistle blowers for instance - the FBI has a Dark Web site for instance.

SabrinaThwaite · 08/06/2023 20:58
  • too many “for instances” there 🙄
GCalltheway · 08/06/2023 21:24

Okay folks - I have had a 14 hour day.
Pls can you summarise the court hearing?
I assume an adjournment is the conclusion from pp.
If this is the case, this is an outstanding achievement already.
If that is true, it means there are significant concerns about the court order, the request, the process. Enough discrepancies to adjourn.

Just to say - most court orders are scrutinised very briefly and 95% plus are granted.

This is good news! A thorough review will take place now. Facts will be examined.

Some sunlight is now needed.

GailBlancheViola · 08/06/2023 21:30

This was from Caroline's friend Dr Louise Moody at 10.57 today @GCalltheway :

My understanding, from someone at the court, is that the hearing has now been adjourned for two weeks since the bench were unimpressed at not having been sent Caroline's submissions by the police. My view is that Surrey were trying to smuggle this through hoping she wouldn't be able to defend herself. As it is, her counsel now have the standard 14 days to respond.

I'll await confirmation from Caroline herself.

^^

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